While it's true that other frameworks (Grails, Wicket, Rails) have large numbers of integrations, if you talk to real developers you find out that the majority of those integrations are not actually usable for production work. All too often, they are orphaned, unsupported, incomplete, naive or coded against an earlier version of the core framework ... or some combination of all of those.
I do a lot of training and consulting on Tapestry with a lot of groups and what I find is that one size does not fit all, even for simple things like user authentication/login. I'm quite happy to have a limited number of basic integrations that are documented, supported and tested. Would I like every application to just be a matter of mixing pre-built modules together? Yes. Do I think it is realistic, for ANY framework? No. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> wrote: > Noe, I've been down this path before, regrettably. The ONLY thing to > do it to ignore the trolls. > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Newham, Cameron <cameron.new...@bl.uk> > wrote: >> I don't agree with the OP that the ServerSide discussion shows Tapestry "has >> lost the battle" - two posters state they don't want to see Tapestry >> mentioned. That's all there is. >> >> However, I can't agree with you Thiago. The old saying is "if you say it >> enough times then people will believe it is true". >> >> If you are just going to stand by and let "trolls" post bad things about >> Tapestry unchallenged then they have won the argument - regardless of how >> bad their argument may be and how incorrect their views may be. >> >> After all, someone pitching up and wanting a framework will read what >> they've written and believe it. Who is to say these anti-Tapestry people are >> wrong? Not you - because you won't counter their arguments! :-) >> >> Sure - don't feed the trolls. But all that is necessary is to say something >> positive; not engage them in an argument. >> >> Merry Xmas everyone. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo [mailto:thiag...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 22 December 2009 15:26 >> To: Tapestry users >> Subject: Re: Discussion >> >> Em Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:20 -0200, Banchi Liko <banchi...@gmail.com> >> escreveu: >> >>> Hi guys, >> >> Hi! >> >>> There is a discussion going on here >>> http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=58858 and seems >>> like Tapestry ihas already been ruled out as a viable and serious web >>> framework. >> >> TheServerSide comments has too many trolls to have a good, reasonable >> discussion there. >> >>> Wicket seems to be the favorite. >> >> Some people who bother to post there like Wicket. Most people who like >> Tapestry, maybe all of them, don't bother to post there. >> >>> I'm sad Tapestry has lost the battle and afraid it might die soon. >> >> Please source or explain your statements or you'll be treated like a troll >> here. >> >>> Please go and contribute and let your voice be >>> heard before Tapestry dies a horrible death. >> >> No, thank you. Posting there will not change Tapestry's fate. Using it, >> exchanging ideas in the mailing lists and contributing code will (and >> already is). >> >> -- >> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo >> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, >> and instructor >> Owner, software architect and developer, Ars Machina Tecnologia da >> Informação Ltda. >> http://www.arsmachina.com.br >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >> >> > > > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > Creator of Apache Tapestry > > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to > learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! > > (971) 678-5210 > http://howardlewisship.com > -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator of Apache Tapestry The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! (971) 678-5210 http://howardlewisship.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
