a different kernel did not help either... On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 11:37 +0100, Taylan Develioglu wrote: > Changing to JIO didn't help, the silent crashes continue. > > I'm changing kernel versions now. > > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:45 +0100, Taylan Develioglu wrote: > > It's performing rather poorly performance wise, compared to the apr > > connector. The number of threads required to handle the requests has > > gone up significantly over the board. > > > > Stability wise, I don't have complaints yet. > > > > I'm keeping my fingers crossed. > > > > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:09 +0100, Pid wrote: > > > On 05/03/2010 08:41, Taylan Develioglu wrote: > > > > Pid, that would assume we had a working< 1.6.10 version before that we > > > > replaced. > > > > > > That it would. > > > > > > > We've run 1.6.10 upwards succesfully for a very long time. So I don't > > > > see the point in doing this. > > > > > > I must have missed that. > > > > > > How is the HTTP connector performing? > > > > > > > > > p > > > > > > > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 12:00 +0100, Pid wrote: > > > >> On 03/03/2010 09:11, Taylan Develioglu wrote: > > > >>> Downgrading to 1.6.0_16 did not help. I'm replacing the apr connector > > > >>> with http now. > > > >> > > > >> As Chuck mentioned in the other thread, significant changes occurred at > > > >> 1.6.10, so trying the release before (1.6.7) might be necessary to > > > >> establish a better determination. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> p > > > >> > > > >>> On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 14:52 +0100, Carl wrote: > > > >>>> Taylan, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> The failures we've seen are in anywhere between 8 hours to a week of > > > >>>>> runtime. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The timing of the failures seems similar. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> We have also had failures with hotspot error files (hs_err) > > > >>>>> present, and > > > >>>>> the cause specified was indeed SIGSEGV indicating a page fault. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I have never seen any hs_* files but have seen core files where > > > >>>> strace > > > >>>> showed the jvm stopped on a seg fault. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> We also use jdk 1.6.0_18, I'm downgrading the machines to 1.6.0_16 > > > >>>>> when > > > >>>>> the situation allows (during regular updates of the application, or > > > >>>>> a > > > >>>>> crash) to see if that helps. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I have used jdk 1.6.0_17 and 1.6.0_18 with the same results... have > > > >>>> not > > > >>>> tried 1.6.0_16. Please post your results of this trial. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Running tomcat on the > > > >>>>> foreground might show something, but then again I could be waiting > > > >>>>> for a > > > >>>>> month for it to happen. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Yes, this has been part of my problem as anytime we change > > > >>>> something, we > > > >>>> have to wait a week for the server to fail. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> In one sense, I am fortunate that I have a little more flexibility > > > >>>> than you. > > > >>>> I have two servers (different hardware) but only need one in service > > > >>>> at a > > > >>>> time. Therefore, I always have one server I can test ideas on > > > >>>> although I > > > >>>> have never been able to develop a meaningful stress test, i.e., the > > > >>>> only way > > > >>>> I can test a change is to put it in production. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Carl > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>> From: "Taylan Develioglu"<tdevelio...@ebuddy.com> > > > >>>> To: "Tomcat Users List"<users@tomcat.apache.org> > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:31 AM > > > >>>> Subject: Re: jvm exits without trace > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Hello Carl, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The failures we've seen are in anywhere between 8 hours to a week of > > > >>>>> runtime. Most of them have (still) been running for almost a month > > > >>>>> without failure. There are ~100 machines. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> From the top of my head, I think we've had about 10+ failures now. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> We have also had failures with hotspot error files (hs_err) > > > >>>>> present, and > > > >>>>> the cause specified was indeed SIGSEGV indicating a page fault. But > > > >>>>> I > > > >>>>> don't know if the two are related. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> We also use jdk 1.6.0_18, I'm downgrading the machines to 1.6.0_16 > > > >>>>> when > > > >>>>> the situation allows (during regular updates of the application, or > > > >>>>> a > > > >>>>> crash) to see if that helps. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It might be useful to note that the failures happen with tomcat > > > >>>>> 6.0.20 > > > >>>>> as well as 6.0.24. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> As far as load concerns, I haven't had a failure on an idle > > > >>>>> machines. > > > >>>>> The machines are well loaded, but only at a fraction limit in > > > >>>>> regards to > > > >>>>> load and cpu utilization. > > > >>>>> Most memory is commited to tomcat, where a 24G machine would have > > > >>>>> 18G > > > >>>>> allocated to heap, 128M to permgen and some unspecified amount > > > >>>>> would get > > > >>>>> used by jni for apr. About 4G remains free after calculating taking > > > >>>>> into > > > >>>>> account the jvm itsself. > > > >>>>> A 16G machine would have 12G allocated to the heap. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Besides the fact that our apps heavily use nio and mina I wouldn't > > > >>>>> say > > > >>>>> there's anything else noteworthy. There can be anywhere up to 10000 > > > >>>>> concurrents on one machine. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I had searched for coredumps, but no luck. Running tomcat on the > > > >>>>> foreground might show something, but then again I could be waiting > > > >>>>> for a > > > >>>>> month for it to happen. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 12:42 +0100, Carl wrote: > > > >>>>>> Taylan, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am the person who started the "Tomcat dies suddenly" thread > > > >>>>>> which I > > > >>>>>> still > > > >>>>>> haven't resolved. I am curious about the pattern of failures you > > > >>>>>> are > > > >>>>>> experiencing because they may provide some clues to my problem. > > > >>>>>> In my > > > >>>>>> case, > > > >>>>>> the system will run for 15 minutes to 10 days before failing (most > > > >>>>>> of the > > > >>>>>> time it is several days to a week.) It appears to die from a seg > > > >>>>>> fault > > > >>>>>> in > > > >>>>>> the JVM (I am using Sun 1.6.0_18 but have tried previous > > > >>>>>> versions)... you > > > >>>>>> may be able to see the cause of the failure from the core file > > > >>>>>> (the core > > > >>>>>> files on my systems were in several directories so you may have to > > > >>>>>> do a > > > >>>>>> 'find' to locate them.) Load may be a factor but the failures > > > >>>>>> generally > > > >>>>>> come after the load has been heavy for a while. I am running a > > > >>>>>> couple of > > > >>>>>> applications and it seems the failures are more frequent when > > > >>>>>> people are > > > >>>>>> hitting the additional apps (the primary app is always used, the > > > >>>>>> remaining > > > >>>>>> apps are used sporatically.) > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> How does this compare to what you are experiencing? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Carl > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>>>> From: "Taylan Develioglu"<tdevelio...@ebuddy.com> > > > >>>>>> To: "Tomcat Users List"<users@tomcat.apache.org>;<p...@pidster.com> > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:09 AM > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: jvm exits without trace > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> The GC log shows plenty of heap space left in all the spaces. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I purposely didn't bother replacing the variables because I > > > >>>>>>> figured > > > >>>>>>> they > > > >>>>>>> would not be relevant. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> But if you think they might provide clues they're as follows: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> JAVA_HEAP_SIZE=18432M > > > >>>>>>> JAVA_EDEN_SIZE=$(($(echo $JAVA_HEAP_SIZE|sed 's/M$\|G$//')/6))M > > > >>>>>>> JAVA_PERM_SIZE=128M > > > >>>>>>> JAVA_STCK_SIZE=128K > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> EDEN_SIZE is 1/6th of total heap. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> And I said there was nothing in the system logs. > > > >>>>>>> But you get a couple of points for trying. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 10:44 +0100, Pid wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On 24/02/2010 09:36, Taylan Develioglu wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> I thought I'd add the connector definitions too, : > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> <Connector port="80" > > > >>>>>>>>> protocol="org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11AprProtocol" > > > >>>>>>>>> compression="1024" keepAliveTimeout="60000" > > > >>>>>>>>> maxKeepAliveRequests="-1" > > > >>>>>>>>> enableLookups="false" redirectPort="443" > > > >>>>>>>>> maxThreads="150" > > > >>>>>>>>> pollerSize="32768" > > > >>>>>>>>> pollerThreadCount="4"/> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> <Connector port="443" > > > >>>>>>>>> protocol="org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11AprProtocol" > > > >>>>>>>>> SSLEnabled="true" > > > >>>>>>>>> enableLookups="false" maxThreads="10" > > > >>>>>>>>> scheme="https" > > > >>>>>>>>> secure="true" > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> SSLCertificateFile="/etc/ssl/private/something.crt" > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> SSLCertificateKeyFile="/etc/ssl/private/something.key" > > > >>>>>>>>> SSLCACertificateFile="/etc/ssl/certs/ca.crt"/> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 10:23 +0100, Taylan Develioglu wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have jvm's, running tomcat and our application, exiting > > > >>>>>>>>>> mysteriously, > > > >>>>>>>>>> and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on how to > > > >>>>>>>>>> debug > > > >>>>>>>>>> this thing. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in catalina.out, nor our application logs, > > > >>>>>>>>>> and no > > > >>>>>>>>>> hotspot error file. GC log looks normal. No trace in system > > > >>>>>>>>>> logs. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am left completely clueless :(, has anyone dealt with a > > > >>>>>>>>>> problem > > > >>>>>>>>>> like > > > >>>>>>>>>> this before? > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Any help appreciated. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Tomcat 6.0.24 > > > >>>>>>>>>> - TC native 1.1.18 > > > >>>>>>>>>> - APR 1.3.9 > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Sun JDK 6u18 > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Debian Lenny, 2.6.31.10-amd64 > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2 servlets, one as ROOT. 2 HTTP connectors that use > > > >>>>>>>>>> TCNative/APR. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> JAVA_OPTS ( ): > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> -verbose:gc > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Djava.awt.headless=true > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Dsun.net.inetaddr.ttl=60 > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Dfile.encoding=UTF-8 > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Djava.io.tmpdir=$TMP_DIR > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Djava.library.path=/usr/local/lib > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Djava.endorsed.dirs=$CATALINA_BASE/endorsed > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Dcatalina.base=$CATALINA_BASE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Dcatalina.home=$CATALINA_HOME > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Djava.util.logging.manager=org.apache.juli.ClassLoaderLogManager > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Djava.util.logging.config.file="$CATALINA_BASE/conf/logging.properties" > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:+PrintGCDetails > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Xloggc:$CATALINA_BASE/logs/gc.log > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:CMSInitiatingOccupancyFraction=70 > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Xms$JAVA_HEAP_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Xmx$JAVA_HEAP_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:NewSize=$JAVA_EDEN_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:MaxNewSize=$JAVA_EDEN_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:PermSize=$JAVA_PERM_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:MaxPermSize=$JAVA_PERM_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Xss$JAVA_STCK_SIZE > > > >>>>>>>>>> -XX:+UseLargePages > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> There's no actual heap size settings in the above. But you get a > > > >>>>>>>> couple > > > >>>>>>>> of points for trying. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Google "Linux Out Of Memory killer" or "OOM Killer" and then > > > >>>>>>>> check the > > > >>>>>>>> server logs carefully. 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