http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/20/flowchart-is-it-fcke.html
^ somehow seems appropriate to this thread -igor On 9/8/07, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i would if that made any sense... > > -igor > > > On 08 Sep 2007 22:52:05 +0200 (CEST), Robo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sorry Igor. I pack wicket app, simple wicket demo app, very well in WAR > > layout. If I`m not right please point me to point where wicket app border is > > extending WAR layout border. > > > > Robo > > > > > > ----- Originálna Správa ----- > > Od: \"Igor Vaynberg\" > > Komu: > > Poslaná: 08.09.2007 23:36 > > Predmet: Re: Re: First Day Disgust! > > > > > > > > what you all seem to not be able to comprehend is that applications DO > > NOT > > > come in a WAR layout. the war file is packaged together by combining > > > different things from different places, and this is what the build > > tools are > > > for (whether it be ant or maven). > > > > > > -igor > > > > > > > > > On 08 Sep 2007 22:33:06 +0200 (CEST), Robo wrote: > > > > > > > > Jesus. Time spended at this endless talk read and write could be > > spent in > > > > writing one simple Demo app. Simple demo app reqest is very > > legitimate. And > > > > my vote is for demo app without Ant, Maven also. Demo App just based > > > > supposed basic knowledge of Servlet technologies, or just be > > familiar with > > > > WAR directory layout. Wicket is realy very simple so it would be > > good if > > > > this simplicity would be underscored also by demo app. Maven has its > > good > > > > points and also weak ones. But generaly it is used mostly on company > > levels > > > > and not on the levles of individial newbies. Most of them just know > > hov to > > > > write servlet, JSP and so on. and this I think major part of > > framework > > > > newbies needs to understand strength of wicket. Maven ads some > > virtual > > > > complication to the proces that not many newbies know maven and when > > seen > > > > first time they can be scared of it. So they can back off. IMHO one > > needs to > > > > firstly understand basic concepts, based just on very simple > > premises like > > > > beeign familiar with WAR and t > > > > hen this concept could be widened by using maven and point out some > > > > benefits of it. Maven + Wicket for firstimers can be simple too much > > and can > > > > leed to presumption that Wicket must be used with Maven. IMHO > > > > More didactic way maybe should be. > > > > 1. Needed prereq of WAR file layout > > > > 2. setup Wicket demo app on this knowledge. > > > > 3. Descriv\\\\be what is behind curtain of wicket app on one simple > > wicket > > > > tag decorator. > > > > 4. describe how to enhance using Maven. > > > > Wicket is framework which is fast learnable and I beleave when > > getting the > > > > point you can write application within just one hour. More didactic > > aproach > > > > to demo could lead to greater adoption > > > > > > > > As soon as I finish my work of testing some frameworks, this could > > be > > > > within two weeks I can write some demo app with simple explanation > > taking > > > > more didactic aproach :-) just let me know to whom I can send it, > > and the > > > > format of the wiki. > > > > > > > > Confrontation at this thread is just useless ... > > > > > > > > Robo > > > > > > > > ----- Originálna Správa ----- > > > > Od: chickabee > > > > Komu: > > > > Poslaná: 08.09.2007 15:06 > > > > Predmet: Re: First Day Disgust! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for providing me the primer on web applications and Ant and > > for > > > > not > > > > > trying to understand what point I am trying to make here. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, we are not dealing with nuclear science here and Yes again > > wicket > > > > is > > > > > just another web application, Did someone disagree with that. I > > hope > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > Once you are out in the market to try the new webapps then it > > always > > > > makes > > > > > sense to have people be able to get up and running on the basics > > w/o > > > > efforts > > > > > and not to have to deal with tricks necessary to get basic app to > > work. > > > > > > > > > > A common expectation is a simple standalone app without > > > > > Maven/Spring/Hibernate etc unnecessary stuff. Run \\\'ant\\\' on > > the command > > > > line > > > > > and here u have the war file, now, make a few changes to > > experiment and > > > > > then run \\\'ant\\\' again to have modified war. Simple. > > > > > > > > > > Obviously the current example is for the comfort of wicket > > creators and > > > > not > > > > > for the comfort of prospective users and that is the problem here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any one with basic common sense will get this up and running after > > a > > > > day\\\'s > > > > > tinkering around, but that can be avoided by adding simple things > > here > > > > in > > > > > the examples, that is the point I am trying to sell here only if > > there > > > > are > > > > > buyers out there with open mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > > > > > > > > > Al Maw wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > chickabee wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for the great idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that this is displayed fairly prominently on the web site > > at > > > > > > http://wicket.apache.org under \\\"QuickStart\\\". > > > > > > > > > > > >> It believe it will be good to put a few of the examples > > application > > > > in > > > > > >> their own folders and war files so that they can be studied > > > > independently > > > > > >> without the clutter of 20 projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > We used to have this, however, grouping all the examples into > > one > > > > > > project has several big advantages: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Getting all the examples running in your IDE is much easier. > > > > > > - We don\\\'t have ten extra projects to manage the build > > files for. > > > > > > - We can easily link to all the examples from a single page. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Another thing I notice is that maven is the default build tool > > used > > > > for > > > > > >> wicket, I guess it will be good to provide the ant build.xml, > > just in > > > > > >> case > > > > > >> someone does not want full maven features. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we need to write a page on this on the web site that we > > can > > > > send > > > > > > people to. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > An Ant build for Wicket isn\\\'t special. If you don\\\'t know > > how to use > > > > Ant, > > > > > > it\\\'s not our job to show you. There are no magic custom Ant > > tasks we > > > > > > provide, or JSP pre-compilation steps, or anything like that. > > All you > > > > > > need is to compile your app with the necessary dependencies, > > just like > > > > > > any other Java app. You\\\'ll also need your web.xml, etc. just > > like any > > > > > > other Java web app. Nothing special here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > View this message in context: > > > > http://www.nabble.com/First-Day-Disgust%21-tf4405663.html#a12569457 > > > > > Sent from the Wicket - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > > > BLOG - Váš denník umiestnený na internete, v ktorom môžete > > sprostredkúvať > > > > svoje myšlienky, zážitky a nové informácie - http://blog.sme.sk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > BLOG - Váš denník umiestnený na internete, v ktorom môžete > > sprostredkúvať svoje myšlienky, zážitky a nové informácie - > > http://blog.sme.sk/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >
