On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:17:17  
 M R wrote:
...
>Whether you say 5 liters or 5000 cubic centimeters,  a
>person can understand that both are same. 
>
'Course!  That's why this issue of whether people should be using cL, mL or cm, etc, 
does not concern me one bit.  IMHO we should be flexible enough to tolerate such 
differences. 

>But between 2 kWh and 7.2 Megajoules (1 kWh = 3.6
>megajoules), definitely there will be a confusion. 
>The reason is 1 hour = 3600 seconds and not 100 or
>1000 seconds.
>
>On 1 side, our SI lovers believe that we should switch
>over to joule (thereby eliminating hours), and on
>other side the entire world is using kWh, MWh, GWh &
>TWh making watt-hour the only unit of electricity. 
>
There is simply NO question in my mind that kWh and the likes should simply be 
abandoned.  If we are defending our *current* SI system and framework, such units MUST 
go.

It may be difficult for some to create familiarity with the joule, but it's perfectly 
feasible to do it!

>According to SI
>"The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods
>of radiation corresponding to the transition between 2
>hyperfine levels of the ground state of caesium 133
>atom. "
>
I guess the source of the problem here, Madan, is that you're using a deprecated 
definition of the second.  This is no longer how the s has being defined.  It's now 
the distance travelled by the speed of light in a certain fraction of a second (as 
much as I believe that this change was a huge mistake *conceptually*, we're stuck with 
it for a while!  All fundamental units should be defined in terms of *the physical 
entity it tries to define/describe*.  In this particular case the use of another base 
unit, the second, for the definition of the meter is totally contrary to that 
principle.  But that's the subject for another discussion...  :-)  ).
...
>So 1 day will contain 86.4 kiloseconds and 1 year will
>contain 31,557 kiloseconds. I believe 1 of our members
>suggested kiloseconds earlier.
>
Hmm...  I'm still wrestling with this.  Until we find a better way to reckon time, we 
should leave these ideas, like the ks and others, alone IMHO.  And I thank you, Madan, 
for providing a sensible ammunition for that in your paragraph below.
...
>Beware - the decimal time based on Earth's rotation is
>becoming popular.  Its very easy for people to
>remember that 1 unit of time = 1/1000 part of a day. 
>The entire world of governments, banking, industry,
>education, sports, etc will jump on this new unit
>leaving SI unit of time (second) in trouble and
>science will
>become mockery....
>I apologise for mocking the definition of SI unit of
>time - SECOND.
>
No need to apologize, Madan.  Indeed, this is perhaps the last bastion of stone age 
concept that we'll need to address.  I'm just praying and hoping that technology will 
reach such a stage that we may utlimately be able to redefine it without much of a 
hassle (yes, its duration *itself*) accommodating it, evidently, to a decimal 
framework, in however shape or form one cares to design it.  The only problem is that 
we may not find a way to circumvent the fact that there are 365.xx days in a year...  
:-S

Marcus


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