Ron,

Apparently, you are not familiar with the official documents on SI by the BIPM 
and by NIST.

In what *specific* ways do you conclude that they do not provide "quality 
information for using metric units" for any application, not merely for body 
mass and height?

Gene. 

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:13:05 -0700
>From: Ron Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: metrication productivity  
>To: [email protected]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Gene,
>
>This so much splitting of hairs, especially in the context of general  
>information about using metric measures for body mass and height.
>
>I disagree that any of the suggestions that you have commented below  
>improve on the scientific accuracy, or unambiguously clarify the  
>physical concepts of 'weight'.
>
>I will, however, try to respect your concerns about how your example  
>might be cited or presented. Please be advised, however, that your  
>opinions of the language are limited in merit.
>
>There is still the matter of a critical need for quality information  
>about using metric units for measuring body mass and height in the  
>USMA communities.
>
>Unfortunately, your comments relating to usages of the term 'weight'  
>do not in themselves provide a practical nor coherent rule for usage  
>of concepts relating to 'weight'. I think that other approaches would  
>be much more productive, and not less accurate. Such approaches would  
>also be more metric.
>
>
>On 2008 Mar 15 Sat DoY 075, at 10:38, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>> Ron,
>>
>> See my replies below.
>>
>> Gene.
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:16:30 -0700
>>> From: Ron Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: [USMA:40528] revised usage of measures for body mass
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> Metric units are practical and suitable for everyday measures of  
>>> body mass...
>> OK
>> (oftentimes inferred by a measure of weight on a scale*)
>> Delete this.  Even bathroom spring scales are *calibrated* to  
>> display body mass *at a particular location*.  Of course, balance  
>> scales free of springs measure mass more directly even though  
>> gravitational forces bring the masses into balance.
>>
>>> *Mass is oftentimes referenced by a measure of weight on a scale,
>> Delete this.
>>
>>> however 'weight' is more specifically the product of a force such  
>>> as gravity that bears on a mass.
>> This statement is completely false! Delete it.
>>
>> In a frame of reference other than the surface of the earth, such as  
>> the surface of the moon; the same body mass would experience a  
>> weight or force of gravity that is only about
>>> 1/6 the gravity on the earth.  Replace "gravity" by "weight"
>>> ------------
>>>
>>> I also like the example you wrote. Would you mind if I include the  
>>> three paragraphs below for purposes of general information handouts?
>> You may use the example *without* the adulteration to which I  
>> objected above.
>>>
>>> On 2008 Mar 12 Wed DoY 072, at 09:26, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A person of 60 kilograms body mass has a weight of about 600 newtons
>>>> on the surface of the earth.
>>>>
>>>> That same person has the same body mass of 60 kilograms on the
>>>> surface of the moon, but a weight of only 100 newtons on the surface
>>>> of the moon where the acceleration of gravity is only 1/6 its value
>>>> on the surface of the earth.
>>>>
>>>> All the above is by Newton's Second Law:
>>>> "weight" is mass times the *local* acceleration of gravity in a
>>>> specified (or implied) frame of reference, 9.8 meters per second
>>>> squared on the surface of the earth with respect to the earth.
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