"so a pint would be 578 mL"
Well we can't have that - because people would use it as an excuse for being drunk - "It was that extra 10 ml that did it, love, honest!" :-) P.S. I did laugh at the 'new fangled' bit. And they say Americans don't do humour/irony like the Brits? Pah! Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:50:18 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:47058] RE: Saving the mile and the pint for Britain To: usma@colostate.edu I can do "snarky" as well as the next guy. As to jockey weights, as reported to race fans, they are just descriptors, with no legal significance. If there are legal limits (probably minimums or they need a weight belt) I would bet that they are in reality in kilograms. I must admit, I have no clue how to Google to find out, however. Since the pint is basically used for beer, you guys should dump this new-fangled Imperial gallon, and get back to your real roots, 1/8 of an ale gallon, nothing else will do. Wikipedia seems to think it is 4.6212 L, so a pint would be 578 mL, and you guys are being cheated of 10 mL. I don't know why you let your government change measures willy-nilly. Get back to your roots. :) (otherwise, you might as well go metric) From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail.com> To: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu> Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 6:06:08 PM Subject: [USMA:47055] RE: Saving the mile and the pint for Britain I don't usually expect a question like that from you JS! ;-) We've forgotten the usage of stone/lb when they talk about jockey weights etc. Personally I hate horse races/jumps - I tend to be compassionate about animals and how we treat them. Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 03:24:19 -0700 From: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [USMA:47046] RE: Saving the mile and the pint for Britain To: usma@colostate.edu So the square foot and furlong are acceptable as descriptors but not legal trade measures. Not quite "real" measures, are they? Are the horse races "real" furlongs or 200 m furlongs? (being just over 1 m different, can anyone really tell?) From: Martin Vlietstra <vliets...@btinternet.com> To: jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net; U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu> Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 2:22:23 AM Subject: RE: [USMA:47033] RE: Saving the mile and the pint for Britain The troy ounce is legal for trading in precious metals. Horse racing still uses furlongs to “describe” the course length. For some weird reason it is legal to rent office area at £1000 for a 100 sq ft office, but it is not legal to rent a 100 sq ft office at £10 per sq ft. From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John M. Steele Sent: 05 April 2010 02:36 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject: [USMA:47033] RE: Saving the mile and the pint for Britain Just to quibble: *The mile, yard, foot, and inch are used in road signage only. Other length subdivisions, not used in road signage, have no legal standing, do they? For example furlongs, chains, poles or rods, fathoms, links, hands, cables, leagues, etc. Has not the UK conceded that the acre is no longer used in land registration. *The pint can only be used to dispense draft beer, cider, or milk in returnable bottles, right, All other uses are supplemental only, metric is required. *The gallon, quart, gill, etc are not legal units, only supplemental? (also the bushel) *The pound and ounce are not legal units, only supplemental? (Is the troy ounce still a legal measure?) From: Stephen Humphreys < barkatf...@hotmail.com > To: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu> Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 8:37:33 PM Subject: [USMA:47032] RE: Saving the mile and the pint for Britain Margaret Thatcher also brought in petrol price by the litre. But to the main point - the recent euro elections saw the tories send out pre-election pamphlets explaining how they 'saved the pound and the ounce for Britain '. That makes them having 'saved' the mile and all the divisions thereof (yards, feet and inches - and hands if you include horses!)- plus lb, oz and pints, and gallons in mpg. Amongst other things. Actually - I think the recent 'saving' was rather cheeky. Apart from the fact that they only prevented the usage of lb/oz becoming illegal - it's highly dubious that 'they' did that either. From: pat.naugh...@metricationmatters.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47029] Saving the mile and the pint for Britain Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 09:57:13 +1000 Dear All, I found this page at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100402183300AAlPjkT and it reminded me of a media quote near the time when Margaret Thatcher left office. She is reported to have said in listing her achievements: 'We have saved the mile and the pint for Britain'. Now that the mile and the pint are the last remaining legal Imperial measuring words in the UK their existence is often used to justify the use of all of the old paraphernalia of the old defunct and deprecated measuring words. Somehow the simple (legal) existence of the mile and the pint allows people to morally justify the use of acres, inches, ounces, pounds, tons, and so on interminably. Margaret Thatcher might have been right in that the Tories 'saved the mile and the pint' in a legal sense, but in doing so they created a culture dedicated in large part to the dual expense of the hopeless muddle that measurement in the UK has become. With hindsight the damage that Margaret Thatcher has done to the education of children in the UK and to the economy is extraordinary. If we apply the Confederation of British Industry estimate of 9 % of turnover each year then the cost of simply saving two words is extraordinary. It is interesting that the mile and the pint have been defined in terms of metric units since 1959 so the Margaret Thatcher versions of the words mile and pint are, in fact, metric units hidden behind Imperial words. Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister of the UK from 1979 to 1990. Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from http://metricationmatters.com/MetricationLeadersGuideInfo.html PO Box 305 Belmont 3216, Geelong, Australia Phone: 61 3 5241 2008 Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly, quickly, and so economically that they now save thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling for their businesses. Pat provides services and resources for many different trades, crafts, and professions for commercial, industrial and government metrication leaders in Asia, Europe, and in the USA . 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