> The authors have conferred on this and at this time we don't think that we 
> can recommend anything other than EC ciphers...
IMHO, this is the only simple and generally implementable recommendation at 
this point.

Cheers,

Andrei

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From: Uta <uta-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 12:41 PM
To: Cullen Jennings <flu...@iii.ca>; draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis....@ietf.org
Cc: a...@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; uta@ietf.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Uta] Artart last call review of 
draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On 7/30/22 10:10 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> On 7/30/22 9:30 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpe...@stpeter.im 
>>> <mailto:stpe...@stpeter.im>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Given the requirements for crypto agility, I think this there 
>>>> should be at least one MTI algorithm that does not rely on EC. 
>>>> Pinning all your hopes on a single algorithm surely is not the best 
>>>> security advice the IETF can provide.
>>>> If a EC did have a problem, clearly we would want something already 
>>>> build and deployed that we could switch too.
>>>
>>> The authors will discuss this and reply again.
>>
>> I just wanted to see if there were any update on this one. I think it 
>> is the most serious concern raised in my review.
> 
> I think the authors might have missed this one in our work on -10. 

Hi again,

The authors have conferred on this and at this time we don't think that we can 
recommend anything other than EC ciphers, for several reasons:

1. DHE negotiation is broken.

2. Static RSA is out of the question.

3. Post-quantum (PQ) methods aren't ready yet.

Our forecast is that a few years from now the PQ methods will be ready for 
recommending in 7525ter, but for now EC is the best we can do.

Peter

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