Just search Slashdot for discussions on Ogg.  You will find more
opinions than you will ever care to read on this subject.

Personally, I rip all my CD's to FLAC and store them on my hard drive.
If I ever run into a situation where I need Vorbis or whatever, I will
encode from there.

Mike

On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:10:41PM -0600, Ross Werner wrote:
> Ok, here's my story: I've been a long-time mp3 user, but I've been too
> paranoid to make the switch over to ogg. I just ripped another CD the
> other day (with grip, of course--man, I miss CDex, though. I think it's a
> way better program than grip, IM(NS)HO) and, of course, it went straight
> to mp3.
> 
> So I figure I just need a healthy push from the uug crowd. Here are some
> of my worries.
> 
>   a) is the quality really that better? can I really tell a difference? Or
> is it simply a matter of file size?
> 
>   b) I know that compatiblity is still an issue. Do you ogg users ever run
> into problems trying to burn a CD for an mp3 player, or put music on a
> portable player, and end up having to convert your oggs to mp3s?
> 
>   c) I keep worrying that since ogg is/was kind of "new", that it will
> change and then I'll have to go and reconvert all my CDs again with the
> "newer, better!" ogg version. Has ogg actually changed versions? How do
> the versions compare? If you had old stuff encoded with the original
> version of the encoder, does the newer stuff sound any better? I guess I'm
> just kind of clueless about how this codec stuff works in general.
> 
> 
> Anybody care to tell their "conversion story" from mp3 to ogg? mp3 is just
> so nice and comfortable and familiar ... comfortable good, change bad ...
> 
>   ~ ross
> 
> 
> --
> 
> This sentence would be seven words long if it were six words shorter.
> 
> On 6 Oct 2003, Corey Edwards wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 08:47, Mark Gardner wrote:
> > > Seeing how this is a list for discovery and learning. What is ogg?
> >
> > It's a multimedia container similar to avi. What people mostly use is
> > Ogg Vorbis which is the audio codec, much like MP3. It is better than
> > mp3 for many reasons.
> >
> > First, it's free of silly patents. The specification is in the public
> > domain, the floating point implementation is under a BSD license and the
> > utilities are GPL.
> >
> > Second, it uses much better acoustical models than the older original
> > mp3 (mp3 pro, aac, and other newer codecs compare very well with
> > vorbis).
> >
> > Thirdly, it is variable bit rate (VBR) so you don't waste bits encoding
> > blank space and it can bump but the bit rate when a really complex
> > section presents itself. Overall it uses less space for better quality
> > than mp3.
> >
> > Fourthly, it can be "peeled", meaning you can stream multiple bit rate
> > streams from the same high rate source. For example, you run an internet
> > radio station with 128k, 64k, 32k, and 16k streams. With mp3, you must
> > encode 4 different streams from the same source. But with vorbis, you
> > can encode the 128 and peel the extra bits off the stream for each of
> > the lower rate streams. Saves tons of CPU time.
> >
> > Find more at www.vorbis.com
> >
> > Corey
> 
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