Steve
Michael Halcrow wrote:
Just search Slashdot for discussions on Ogg. You will find more opinions than you will ever care to read on this subject.
Personally, I rip all my CD's to FLAC and store them on my hard drive. If I ever run into a situation where I need Vorbis or whatever, I will encode from there.
Mike
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:10:41PM -0600, Ross Werner wrote:
Ok, here's my story: I've been a long-time mp3 user, but I've been too paranoid to make the switch over to ogg. I just ripped another CD the other day (with grip, of course--man, I miss CDex, though. I think it's a way better program than grip, IM(NS)HO) and, of course, it went straight to mp3.
So I figure I just need a healthy push from the uug crowd. Here are some of my worries.
a) is the quality really that better? can I really tell a difference? Or is it simply a matter of file size?
b) I know that compatiblity is still an issue. Do you ogg users ever run into problems trying to burn a CD for an mp3 player, or put music on a portable player, and end up having to convert your oggs to mp3s?
c) I keep worrying that since ogg is/was kind of "new", that it will change and then I'll have to go and reconvert all my CDs again with the "newer, better!" ogg version. Has ogg actually changed versions? How do the versions compare? If you had old stuff encoded with the original version of the encoder, does the newer stuff sound any better? I guess I'm just kind of clueless about how this codec stuff works in general.
Anybody care to tell their "conversion story" from mp3 to ogg? mp3 is just so nice and comfortable and familiar ... comfortable good, change bad ...
~ ross
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On 6 Oct 2003, Corey Edwards wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 08:47, Mark Gardner wrote:
Seeing how this is a list for discovery and learning. What is ogg?
It's a multimedia container similar to avi. What people mostly use is Ogg Vorbis which is the audio codec, much like MP3. It is better than mp3 for many reasons.
First, it's free of silly patents. The specification is in the public domain, the floating point implementation is under a BSD license and the utilities are GPL.
Second, it uses much better acoustical models than the older original mp3 (mp3 pro, aac, and other newer codecs compare very well with vorbis).
Thirdly, it is variable bit rate (VBR) so you don't waste bits encoding blank space and it can bump but the bit rate when a really complex section presents itself. Overall it uses less space for better quality than mp3.
Fourthly, it can be "peeled", meaning you can stream multiple bit rate streams from the same high rate source. For example, you run an internet radio station with 128k, 64k, 32k, and 16k streams. With mp3, you must encode 4 different streams from the same source. But with vorbis, you can encode the 128 and peel the extra bits off the stream for each of the lower rate streams. Saves tons of CPU time.
Find more at www.vorbis.com
Corey
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