* Phillip Hellewell [Thu,  8 Jan 2004 at 10:08 -0700]
> > In descending order of importance:
> > 
> > 1. I prefer the look of the screen and fonts in text mode to anything I can get
> > 2. No matter how fast X or my computer is, stuff still feels faster in text
> > 3. I hate using the mouse.  It feels like it slows me down, even if technically

I have to concur here, the mouse is _not_ one of my best friends. The more I
can do with the keyboard, the better. That's why I love vim. It's gotten so
bad that I'm annoyed when I have to move over to the 'arrow' keys.

> > 4. Boot time is faster if you don't have to start X up.  (I turn the computer
> > 5. The programs I really use (vi, latex, mutt, octave, R, gcc) are all text
> > 6. When I start X (and especially KDE or gnome), I get visions of a pig
> > 7. Text mode makes me feel more geeky and makes untrained observers mistake me
> > Grant
> 
> You have good reasons for liking text mode.  I think I fit in with all
> those same lines of thought.  Now, here are some questions for you:
> 
> 1. What do you do about getting more characters on the screen?  80x25 is
> not enough, and 80x50 (vga=ext) is not too bad, but I like more
> characters across.  Something like 130x50 would please me.  Now, I know
> there's SVGATextMode, but it seems like it's been outdated or something,
> and it's hard to get it working on some video cards.  So do you
> recommend using framebuffer mode?
> 
> 2. If you use framebuffer mode, do you feel hypocritical for not using X
> when it is true that you are really in a graphics mode already?  I kind
> of feel weird about it.  Argument #2 goes out the window if you're using
> fb mode, but it seems almost necessary to get more characters on the
> screen.

Yes, framebuffer mode will also take up memory, but I should think not as
much as X, especially since you don't also have a window manager and a
bunch of windows all with fancy gui stuff. Not that I'm apposed to X, it's
great. I only envision said pig when I'm on gimli (my _slow_ laptop), and I
rarely start X on that. In fact, one of the top reasons I start X is to see
an image file, so this thread has been especially interesting.

> 3. When you do use X, what window manager do you use?  My bet is that
> you use something lightweight like fluxbox or fvwm, no?  I use fluxbox.

I use icewm myself. I like fluxbox, the tabs are way cool, but I'm too used
to icewm and like it's many keyboard shortcuts (see above under "I hate the
mouse") and above all it's configurability (which again is where all the
keyboard shortcuts come from).

> 4. Are we just a couple of elitist, nerdy, weirdo command-line geeks, or
> are there other people on this list who fall into the same category?
> 
> (BTW, you know you are in our group if you use the command prompt in
> windows more than explorer).

I'm with you all. I love command line, and even when I am in X, I use xterms
more than any other app.
(I can't say I use the windows 'console' more than explorer, but whenever I
have to do _anything_ besides opening a file (such as ipconfig, ping, etc) I
start up the "not-so-good-ol'" command prompt.)

> -- 
> Phillip Hellewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



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