On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 15:57, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> ...
> This hinges on the assumption that humans are basically good (which I think
> is a conversation we had on this list a few months ago,) and would not sin
> if we weren't tempted by Satan.

I think this is a very bad assumption. There are probably people (Adam)
who really would keep all of God's commandments unless they were
properly manipulated into it, but on the whole humans are basically
undecided, but mostly leaning toward good. This may be the result of our
upbringing in a world full of temptation and sin, but I don't believe
all temptation and sin comes from below. Kind of like the warning that
we should be careful when casting out devils lest we cast the spirit out
of the man we think we're exorcising. Some people, a lot of people, all
people to some degree, are familiar enough with choice that we will
choose to sin without any external help.

I think Lucifer probably made up his own mind. Why should he need help?
If I were hungry and saw some bread that wasn't mine, would I need
someone to tell me to take it for me to want to all on my own?
Eventually we all have to learn to act, rather than be acted upon. This
is part of evil as much as it is part of good.

Granted, of course, Satan and his followers do an awful lot of work
here, but I'd rather believe that man is capable of tempting himself
than believe that Satan is capable of entering a Temple. We blame far
too much on him, we ought to accept responsibility when it's our own.


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