This reminds me of the time I was curious if the bank even checked signatures 
on the checks.  I signed 6 of them as "Mickey Mouse".  They all cleared, except 
for one.  That was a $20 lesson (rejected check bank fee).


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* Josh Coates [Fri,  3 Dec 2004 at 09:06 -0700]
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> a three year old can subvert any security based on sealing an envelope and
> an ink signature is *trivially* forged by *anybody* - no education required.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3552132.stm

Still think an ink signature is *trivially* forged? Sure it is for the
casual inspector, but if you *really* want to know for sure, you *can*
tell if it was forged. Case in point, my mom once forged my dad's
signature (for convenience, my dad wasn't available) and the bank called
the bluff. And it wasn't even some large amount that would raise
suspicion.

And incedentally, you make the point that the digital signature is
*more* secure than an ink one, and it's just as easy as, if not easier
than, scribbling your John Hancock on a piece of paper. What I mean when
I say more secure is that the validation can be completely automatic and
validate it to the level of the holographic paper inspection of an ink
signature without all that fancy equipment. Therefore, the casual
inspector can know for a surety that the sig is good.

Unfortunately, in the event that the private key *is* compromised, the
forgery is %100. No subtle overlay patterns to detect there. Hence the
paranoia about where one's private key is stored, and also the key
revoking feature.

I think your primary argument is that the benefits don't outway the
trouble of doing it. To that, I'd just like to say, "Did you ever
practice a signature?" If not, fine. But I would say that a PGP
signature is comparable. You go through a little effort to create the
keys, set up your mailer, then after that, it's completely automatic.
e.g. When I complete this email, I will press :xpsy<passphrase> YMMV
(Your Mailer May Vary), it's become a habit. There's no extra thought
involved. Just like signing a letter.

Von Fugal



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