Michael L Torrie scribbled on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:56 PM:

> Debian Sarge is definitely not the Desktop distro to start with. 
> Ubuntu seems to be going places.  I think FC5 will be nice too,
> except that you will have to add in 3rd party repositories (still no
> easy way to do this for newbies) to get mp3 and dvd player support.   

I didn't "start" with it, if that's what you were implying.  I did dual boot
ubuntu last summer, and was pleased with it (except for the wireless issues
I mentioned later.)

> A few years ago I saw a few people on campus with pst files being
> sent around.  However I haven't seen one come from outlook in years
> now.  
> Either people have gotten smarter or Outlook disables that by default
> now (I believe the latter is correct).  I can't think that this is
> going to be a problem.  PST is dead as far as I can tell.  

PST is for anyone who uses outlook in a POP/SMTP setting (Outlook Express as
well).  If those are the qualifications...I don't think it's "dead".  There
is also OST, PST's close, Exchange cousin.

> 
> Don't know anything about funny symbols.  I use evolution daily and
> I've never seen e-mails like this (and yes most e-mails come from
> people running outlook) and no one I have ever sent e-mails to has
> seen funny characters.  Of course I only send e-mail in plain text
> (which is the polite thing to do).  Nothing looks more unprofessional
> to me than html- formatted e-mail.  Especially when the font is
> 3-point green arial (a frequent occurrance here on BYU campus).    

These symbols only showed up when the emails were migrated from one system
to another.  I don't know which was at fault, but it was one of them
(Evolution, Thunderbird, Outlook).  I have never seen them show up when mail
is transported through the usual methods.


> I have heard of occasional problems with formatting Microsoft
> Documents, but I've never had any problems myself.  What are these
> differences in formatting of which you speak.  I certainly have never
> seen anything that would cause some professor to make some comment
> about it.  If the margins and tab stops are identical to word, the
> documents produced by OO.org and MS Word, in my opinion, are
> indistinguishable.  Fonts at 12 points on OO.org with a 1" margin
> (you did set this right) are the same as in Word.  I do think it
> stupid that OO.org has screwed up margins and tab stops by default,
> but they are trivial to fix (set a default template to have the right
> margins and initial fonts).          
> 

My bad, looks like I overlooked trying to get the margins correctly.  But
the thing was that a 12 pt font in OO.org looked much different than a 12pt
font in MS Word.  That was one of the main things the teacher commented on.
I think a lot of it had to do with the fact he received two papers at the
same time.  Mine and another classmates.  The other was written in MS Word
so he had it in front of him to see the differences.

I did try an work with the margins and font on that thing, but the task of
getting them close was too hard...so I quit.  I was just wondering if OO.org
has taken the steps to format their pages better.  If you have a HOWTO about
how to get the formatting of OO.org exactly like MS Word, please, that would
be a gem to share with the list (or at least me).

> OpenOffice can be set to save in the MS formats by default.  Go to
> Tools->Options and open the "Load/Save" section.  The options you are
> looking for are in there.

I knew there was the way to do it, I just didn't know it was an option you
could set to be default.  I just got upset when I tried to save in a format
others could use (.doc) and got spammed with a message about how if I did
that it was sub-par to saving it in Ooo method of saving it.


> The ndiswrapper combined with the gui util (mentioned here on uug
> recently) seems to be working very well for people.  I doubt there is
> much support for the radio switches on laptops. 

I doubt I need ndiswrapper.  I have a card that ubuntu was able to recognize
in it's first install...so I assume it has some more support in Linux than
the Broadcoms out there.

> 
> Before you make a huge switch this time, consider running
> OpenOffice.org and Thunderbird as your main applications on Windows. 
> If you can make OO.org for windows do something, then it should work
> under linux just fine, for example.   
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
>> 
>> So...discussion anyone?
>> 
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