On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 20:39 -0700, Brian Phillips wrote:
> PST is for anyone who uses outlook in a POP/SMTP setting (Outlook Express as
> well).  If those are the qualifications...I don't think it's "dead".  There
> is also OST, PST's close, Exchange cousin.

Oh, you are talking about how outlook stores e-mail on the disk, not the
proprietary attachment garbage that that Outlook spewed for a while
until Microsoft disabled that by default in later versions.  I
misunderstood.  Your problem is converting between the stored e-mail in
outlook and another system?  I believe Thunderbird (on windows) can
import the outlook settings and email.  You could then transfer that to
linux.  Alternatively we find that pushing all the mail up to an imap
server works well too.

> These symbols only showed up when the emails were migrated from one system
> to another.  I don't know which was at fault, but it was one of them
> (Evolution, Thunderbird, Outlook).  I have never seen them show up when mail
> is transported through the usual methods.

Oh I see.  That is good that there aren't usually problems during the
course of normal usage of linux e-mail clients.  Translation issues are
comparatively minor.

> My bad, looks like I overlooked trying to get the margins correctly.  But
> the thing was that a 12 pt font in OO.org looked much different than a 12pt
> font in MS Word.  That was one of the main things the teacher commented on.
> I think a lot of it had to do with the fact he received two papers at the
> same time.  Mine and another classmates.  The other was written in MS Word
> so he had it in front of him to see the differences.

That is indeed odd. On my linux machine the default OO.org font is
"Times New Roman" and it is the exact same font as on Windows.  The
final printout is the exact same shape and size, although there are
minor kerning differences.  Was it a kerning issue you saw before?  

One possibility here is that you didn't install the MS Core fonts (Times
New Roman, etc) and so you just had default OO.org Adobe fonts (say
Times), which are nice, but definitely slightly different than Times New
Roman.  It's unfortunate that although Times New Roman is really not a
great printing font (compared to other Times variations from Adobe and
others), that people come to expect this.  (That and Arial -- death to
Arial.)

I'm just spouting off random ideas here.  I have no idea what
"different" means.

I am having an issue with the latest install of OO.org 2.0 on my FC3
box, though.  With Times New Roman (haven't checked the other fonts
yet), letter spacing is off.  Sometimes letters run together, sometimes
there are wide gaps where there shouldn't be.  I think the problem here
is that my printer has its own version of Times New Roman, and the
spacing doesn't quite match OO.org's, so OO.org's idea of letter spacing
and kerning doesn't quite match.  Maybe I can convince ghostscript (my
printer is PCL and requires a conversion from PS to print) to render the
fonts instead of just expecting the printer to already have them.
Windows would never have this problem since Windows now expects to have
dumb bitmap printers and either prints everything rendered in software,
or uploads the fonts to the printer.  If anyone knows the solution to my
problem here, I'd welcome suggestions.  For now if I need good output
(say for a paper), I make a PDF and then print the PDF using adobe
Reader.  Hack.

I'll be definitely printing off some stuff tomorrow to make sure I know
of what I'm talking about.

> 
> I did try an work with the margins and font on that thing, but the task of
> getting them close was too hard...so I quit.  I was just wondering if OO.org
> has taken the steps to format their pages better.  If you have a HOWTO about
> how to get the formatting of OO.org exactly like MS Word, please, that would
> be a gem to share with the list (or at least me).

As I've said it's never been a problem.  Times New Roman at 1" margins
(and 0.5" tab stops) has always (before my current problem) printed
indistinguishable from Windows.

> I knew there was the way to do it, I just didn't know it was an option you
> could set to be default.  I just got upset when I tried to save in a format
> others could use (.doc) and got spammed with a message about how if I did
> that it was sub-par to saving it in Ooo method of saving it.

You only get that message once with OO.org 2.0.  Then you can tell it to
never warn you again.

Michael


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