I have no bitches other than with sqlwebmail can;t even compile
half the time. I think sqwebmail should be only one made more compile
friendly with vpopmail and mysql....that would be greatly appreciated
from many people.
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Leonardo Magallon wrote:
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:04:45 -0600
> From: Leonardo Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Matt Simerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Vpopmail (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Don't sweat the small stuff.
>
> Very well said Matt.
>
> I think that of all the open source Mail Code out , the combination of
> qmail+vpopmail+qmailadmin+sqwebmail is the best of all. REALLY.
>
> Don't let kids or grown ups that like to behave like kids spoil your
> efforts or the things you believe in. Besides who are they to
> critizice when they haven't taken the time to publish code that is open
> to be critizicism and be able to correct their mistakes. They don't
> know or don't realize how wrong they are.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leo.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Simerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2000 11:48 am
> Subject: Don't sweat the small stuff.
>
> > Ken (et al),
> >
> > First, and foremost, why do you care what the script kiddies on
> > #openbsd say
> > about your code? Seriously. Most of the people that loiter around
> > on irc
> > channels are either extremely competent people who have gravy jobs
> > and can
> > sit around and talk about all the cool stuff they've done. These
> > are the 1
> > to 2 people on the channel that really know their stuff and then
> > you have
> > the their throng of wanna be's soaking up the gospel from their
> > cult hero or
> > two. You can try all you want but you aren't going to change them.
> > In time
> > they'll begin to mature and begin the process of learning just how
> > much they
> > don't know.
> >
> > If that's not enough, you pick the openbsd channel where (not
> > unlike that of
> > most openbsd users) opinions of "code quality" is about as anal
> > rententiveas you'll find on the planet. I'm not in favor of
> > Microsoft style code
> > quality but there is a point of dimishing returns. I ofter throw
> > thingstogether "quick and dirty" because it doesn't matter if it's
> > not done the
> > best way. When I write a script that I run one time, I spend 5 minutes
> > writing it (instead of 15) because it doesn't matter if it takes a
> > minute to
> > execute versus 10 seconds.
> >
> > You also need to remember that the overwhelming majority of people
> > on IRC
> > are kids. Literally, a bunch of little computer weenies running
> > around with
> > soggy ears and diapers. Not unlike most teenagers, they know
> > everything and
> > are more than willing to tell you all about it. Let them ramble
> > on. What
> > they say is almost assuredly out of ignorance and in time, they
> > too will see
> > the folly in their ways.
> >
> > If you want to measure the success of your project, ask people
> > that use the
> > software. Talk to guys like me, I'll tell you all about it. I've
> > build more
> > mail servers than there are script kiddies on that channel. I've
> > used nearly
> > everything MTA, MDA, and MUA that exists. I'm sure that within
> > your ranks,
> > I'm not the only very good, very smart, and highly clued systems
> > architect/engineesome productive feedback.
> >
> > Vpopmail users have a vested interest in the code. Some of us
> > appreciatethat it's open source. I've gone through quite a bit of
> > effort to help
> > document it. Have you seen my FreeBSD + Qmail + Vpopmail HOWTO?
> > Take a look
> > at it: http://matt.simerson.net/computing/qmail.toaster.shtml. Put
> > a link to
> > it on the vpopmail page. It's an excellent HOWTO and I know
> > several guys
> > have already built mail servers based on those instructions.
> > That's a
> > testimony to code quality.
> >
> > Even if it doesn't meet the yardstick of a bunch of script
> > kiddies, the
> > software does the job it's intended it to do. When bugs creep out
> > we post
> > them to the list. So far every issue I've had has been addressed.
> > Grantedsometimes I have to wait a week or two but that's nothing
> > compared to the
> > length of time I've waited for some other software companies to
> > fix their
> > bugs. That testifies that at some levels, the open source project is
> > working.
> >
> > Last, pulling the source code is the last thing you should ever
> > do. Either
> > you release it or you don't. If you don't then you're pissing on
> > us, your
> > users, and those that have contributed time to making the software
> > betterwithout collecting a paycheck for doing so. You are
> > punishing the wrong
> > people. We're on your team and deserve better treatment than that.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Ken Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry.
> > >
> > > The source code will be put back on the site within the next
> > > 24 hours. I apologize for the temporary lack of availablilty.
> > >
> > > Unfortunatly, i was conversing with people on #efnet on the
> > > openbsd channel, and they insulted me deeply. I can not
> > > begin to describe how deeply I was offeneded. It was not
> > > one thing or another thing, just the small attitudes of
> > > a small group of people.
> > >
> > > I would suggested you joing irc.east.gblx.net and go to
> > > the #openbsd channel and say at least something.
> > >
> > > The code will be put back up on the site soon. Better
> > > than ever. We are dedicated to providing open source
> > > software to the internet.
> > >
> > > It's just, some times, I get really ticked off when
> > > stupid kids tell me how bad my code is. And I know
> > > they don't understand. Sorry.
> > >
> > > If you really want to make a difference, do something
> > > to change something. I'm put the source back up in the
> > > next few days. It just makes me sad. It will be available.
> > >
> > > If you really need it.. just email me and i"ll send you the
> > > latest version.
> > >
> > > Ken Jones
> >
> >
>
>
