I think that you misunderstand what I have been trying to explain. In my opinion, it is all a question of COMMUNICATION or more specifically the LACK of communication. I assume that Chuck is referring to John Bennett below. John also failed to deliver for Jim Phillips 36 streamer swap and now he fails to communicate or deliver for BOTH the First Traditional winged wet fly swap AND the Second traditional winged wet fly swap. He signed up for both. He has stopped communicating. That is 4 swaps that he signed up for and failed to deliver. He has never apologized or given any reason. He has probably signed off VFB but he is still at his work e-mail address because he read my message yesterday. Even if the person is injured, sick or heaven forbid dead, we would norrmally find out. Sometimes, computer problems are an issue as I experienced recently, but I was able to get a message to the list via another member. Neville (Nev) Gosling, Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada
_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Romero Sent: September-24-09 11:41 PM To: virtual fly box Subject: [VFB] Re: We Need a BLacklist benifit of the doubt is generally the best way to go with people over-all.........even though you will get burned cassionally......... the day you turn completely sour on folks........you life will sour as well........ fly fishin'...........fly tyin'.......none of this stuff should be taken to a level of turnin' you against nobody........even a flake swaper like somebody said.............crap happens _____ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [VFB] Re: We Need a BLacklist Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:09:21 -0500 I totally agree with Iain here. I has the same person that was referred to as a "no show" in a panfish swap I just meistered. It was a let down not to have all the flies. But, for all I know, the guy could be injured or dead. And I'd hate to blackball him or anybody else for something they may not have any control over, cause like Iain says, we "know" each other but then again, most of us really don't "know" each other. There could be extenuating circumstances being there reason for the "no show" I hope that's the case and will give the guy (or any person) the benefit of the doubt until i know for certain what happened to them. Just my two cents.. Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ _ipgZ ----- Original Message ----- From: iain <mailto:[email protected]> short To: VFB-new <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: We Need a BLacklist Whilst I can understand the feelings of people who are running swaps or entered into swaps, and have to cope with dropouts who fail to apologize or give reason for failing to complete their agreed task, Blacklists are an unwelcome and ineffective way of getting flies in on time. The last person I heard about in the US who really liked blacklists was Senator Joseph McCarthy..... It would be more effective to encourage good manners and announce our dropping out as soon as is known. The VFB is an unusual group of people, Poor to wealthy, Blue collar to scientist, mostly without any connection or interest other than fishing flies. Our commitments as individuals to house and work will of course result in these individuals dropping off the grid from time to time. We should only wish them well and hope they can feel welcome to return sometime. But it would be polite for all of us to say if they are dropping out of the damn swap. iain _____ From: [email protected] It seems to me that we need to establish a blacklist of those persons who sign up for a swap and then fail to communicate with the swap master or other swap participants. It is ok if a person has to drop out for valid reasons, or even if they have taken too much on and can't continue AS LONG AS THEY COMMUNICATE. Those that do not communicate should be balcklisted and stuck off IMHO. BY taking a position in the swap, it is quite possible that they have prevented someone else from participating. Neville (Nev) Gosling, Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Romero Iain, i've tried to get ahold of John Bennett 3/4 times in the last few months..........no luck. mark _____ From: [email protected] Still waiting for flies iain SECOND Traditional Winged Wet Fly Swap If you entered both swaps you only pay postage once. If you entered both swaps dress Different fly's for each swap please. Tie ELEVEN flies, toe tag them,send them to me by the end of august. Enclose 3 US dollars for return postage iain short, 29 Rothesay Terrace, Bedlington, Northumbria, NE225PT. ENGLAND All flies must be clearly marked second swap ! Name your fly 1. Deb Duran - Peter Ross Variant - - ARRIVED 2. Dan Gober - Professor - 3. Iain Short - Peter Ross - - - - - - ARRIVED 4. Mark Romero - Mallard and Claret - ARRIVED 5. Garry Smith - Grizzly King - - - - - ARRIVED FIRST (& wins prize) 6. Reuven Segal - 7. Rene Zillmann - Teal Blue & Silver - ARRIVED 8. 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