I agree with you DonO. I started out on this list
because I thought it was about GETTING flys. As it
turns out that's only part of it. I realized that
some of the flys I was getting back far exceeded what
I was putting out. Since the Crease Swap, I have
learned more about tying than I have in the 25 years
plus I have put into the hobby. I may tie a ton of
usable flys, but since that time I will only join
swaps I care to put a ton of effort into. THat's why
I am excited about the X-Mas swap, the Foam swap, the
Lifecycle swap and the Bass swap. I'm booked until
March and couldn't be happier. All my BWO's can
wait...
Rob P.
--- DonO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I'm sorry that you misunderstood my comments, but
> you have. I'm not against
> beginners and I never look down upon them or their
> best efforts. I've
> taught beginner's classes. When students don't give
> it their best effort, I
> offer constructive criticism- it's my job. And I've
> seen beginners tie very
> "worthy" flies that I'd be happy to have and fish
> with. In fact I'm
> amazed by the ties of some of the beginning tiers on
> this list, and I'm
> collecting their flies while I can get them. What I
> don't think is fair is
> less than the best effort in a swap- by tiers of any
> level, and that goes
> for me, too. If I don't have time to give it my
> best shot for what the
> theme is, I won't enter.
>
> Believe me, my comments are not automatically the
> consensus of the group,
> and my ideas here may be completely overturned. I'm
> just airing my views
> and seeing how others feel. I don't think you
> should quit just because of
> me and what I said. I believe everyone needs to
> grow, myself included, and
> I also believe it takes personal effort to grow.
>
> My comment was based on the comment about the perps
> swap box and by comments
> made to me in the past about the quality of flies in
> swaps. You bring up
> money here, and we're not talking about money, or
> I'd never be in a swap.
> I'm in swaps because I want to see what others are
> doing and how new ideas
> in fly tying are being applied, and to share my
> ideas with them. Everyone's
> TIME is valuable, and it takes time and a
> conscientious effort on everyone's
> part to tie up NICE flies for a swap- I didn't say
> EQUAL. What I'm talking
> about is effort, and any level of tier can put out
> reasonable effort and tie
> nice, simple flies. And I've seen beginning and
> intermediate tiers expend
> themselves and tie up some flies worthy of being in
> the magazines. We're
> not talking 'elite flies' or 'show flies', but just
> plain old fishing flies.
> Example: I'm talking about a 'favorites fly swap'
> and one tier spending the
> time to tie beautiful stimulators at a half-hour or
> more each (as an
> example) and another not taking any time and sending
> in San Juan Worms,
> taking a minute each (as an example).
>
> The comments about the perps box and the contents is
> a good example. The
> 'throw-away' flies may have been just that, or maybe
> they were from a
> beginner. It can't be said- unless it was the
> rusted one with the tippet
> attached. But if you were the next guy on the list
> and the initial box was
> filled with great new patterns with new materials,
> and you were really
> looking forward to the experience and learning, yet
> by the time it got to
> you it was full of San Juan Worms, would you feel
> disappointed?
>
> So to put it all in a nutshell, I'm not against
> beginners- I'm against a
> lack of effort. And I think that's fair. I tie
> like I tie because I enjoy
> it and I've put the effort into it- it doesn't come
> free. Like I tell my
> students- you get out of it what you put into it.
>
> I don't want you to leave the list, and my comments
> were not directed at
> beginners.
>
> DonO
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Harriman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Perpetual Swap / to All Swappers
>
>
> > Excuse me?? This is what the folks on this list
> think of beginners?
>
>
>
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