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Nick: Thanks for the info.. I have only three
spools and only tried two.. I have a red 6/0 #BCS85 125 denier a
black 8/0 BCS 118(don't know the denier on it, but I suspect about 80-90, but it
tied off OK) The one I had trouble with, as I was trying to tie chili peppers
with it is a 6/0 Fire Orange BCS77 125 denier...It is the one that gave me
trouble.. The red, like i said is the same weight, but I haven't tried it. I'm
starting to think that I just made too many winds on the whip
finish.. Chuck
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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:16
PM
Subject: RE: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread
Question
With a 'G' on the rim
of the spool, it should be size G polyester thread (250 Denier)... thick
thread. Gel spun thread would make it 'GX 1' or 'GX 2' on the rim (and the
thread white).
Gudebrod tying threads
are quite generously waxed compared to most other threads, but personally I've
never found it making them 'slippery'. The difference I would note is that it
makes them easier to dub, they hold the materials better... and it keeps the
filaments from coming apart.
Which size is it
you're having the whip-finish problem with?
/Nick
Hey, Chuck! What type of thread is
it? I know the brand is Gudebrod, but some of their products are
'slipperier' than others. If it is gel-spun (it has a G on the rim of
the spool), you can take a quick pass of a lighter to melt it... but I
almost always burn some hackle or something - like my goatee - if doing
that.) ;) When you tie the whip finish, try to do it on bare
hook-stem, continuing the thread in the same way it was wrapped just
prior. What else... hmm... 6 rotations is plenty for even the largest
of flies -- one of my biggest faults 9at least with tying flies) is a
monstrous head with a zillion wraps for the whip-finish. The bulk of
the knot keeps it from tightening fully, so it then comes loose and the fly
starts to 'un-tie' itself. It could honestly be any number of things,
but they're the ones I've experienced firsthand, and I've seen it often in
others, both older tyers and newer ones.
Hope that this helps, and feel
free to ask more questions - though I'll be out fishin' for the first time
in literally months!
Best wishes and tight wraps,
Pete
On 9/30/06, Chuck
Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Folks: It's probably something a "rookie
tier" like myself is doing wrong, but when Nick brought up Guderbrod
thread yesterday I think it was..Well, I tried that brand, and I CANNOT
get the whip finish knot NOT to unravel.. No matter if I whip finish
3-4-5-6 etc rounds, if I snipped off the thread really close, it (the
knot) would come unraveled, like some of the nylon ropes that there are
that just will not hold a knot..Like it has more wax than it needed??? So,
I have been using Uni Thread and Danville's with no problems..The thread
(The Guderbrod) "feels" like great thread, so, am i doing something
wrong??? Cause I have a few spools and hate to see anything go to waste,
Thanks, Chuck
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