The BCS before the # is BOGER COLOR SYSTEM. A # is assigned to a particular color. The 20's are Green shades,, 40's Yellow shades, 70's Red shades 90's Brown shades and the 100's Dark Colors, Gray's Blues and Black. Gary Borgers fly pattern recipies are written up using his coloring system numbers as are some other recipes. There is a little booklet with the color charts on them. You can get one from a flyshop that carries Gudebrod thread, they are also available on line. "Borger Color System Guide and Data Record Booklet" Just for info. Tony
--- Chuck Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MeddelandeNick: Thanks for the info.. I have only > three spools and only tried two.. I have a red 6/0 > #BCS85 125 denier a black 8/0 BCS 118(don't know > the denier on it, but I suspect about 80-90, but it > tied off OK) The one I had trouble with, as I was > trying to tie chili peppers with it is a 6/0 Fire > Orange BCS77 125 denier...It is the one that gave me > trouble.. The red, like i said is the same weight, > but I haven't tried it. I'm starting to think that I > just made too many winds on the whip finish.. Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Niclas Runarsson > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:16 PM > Subject: RE: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question > > > With a 'G' on the rim of the spool, it should be > size G polyester thread (250 Denier)... thick > thread. Gel spun thread would make it 'GX 1' or 'GX > 2' on the rim (and the thread white). > > Gudebrod tying threads are quite generously waxed > compared to most other threads, but personally I've > never found it making them 'slippery'. The > difference I would note is that it makes them easier > to dub, they hold the materials better... and it > keeps the filaments from coming apart. > > Which size is it you're having the whip-finish > problem with? > > /Nick > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Peter > Gramp > Skickat: den 30 september 2006 19:54 > Till: [email protected] > Ämne: Re: [VFB] Guderbrod Thread Question > > > Hey, Chuck! What type of thread is it? I know > the brand is Gudebrod, but some of their products > are 'slipperier' than others. If it is gel-spun (it > has a G on the rim of the spool), you can take a > quick pass of a lighter to melt it... but I almost > always burn some hackle or something - like my > goatee - if doing that.) ;) When you tie the whip > finish, try to do it on bare hook-stem, continuing > the thread in the same way it was wrapped just > prior. What else... hmm... 6 rotations is plenty > for even the largest of flies -- one of my biggest > faults 9at least with tying flies) is a monstrous > head with a zillion wraps for the whip-finish. The > bulk of the knot keeps it from tightening fully, so > it then comes loose and the fly starts to 'un-tie' > itself. It could honestly be any number of things, > but they're the ones I've experienced firsthand, and > I've seen it often in others, both older tyers and > newer ones. > Hope that this helps, and feel free to ask more > questions - though I'll be out fishin' for the first > time in literally months! > Best wishes and tight wraps, > Pete > > > On 9/30/06, Chuck Alexander > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks: It's probably something a "rookie tier" > like myself is doing wrong, but when Nick brought up > Guderbrod thread yesterday I think it was..Well, I > tried that brand, and I CANNOT get the whip finish > knot NOT to unravel.. No matter if I whip finish > 3-4-5-6 etc rounds, if I snipped off the thread > really close, it (the knot) would come unraveled, > like some of the nylon ropes that there are that > just will not hold a knot..Like it has more wax than > it needed??? So, I have been using Uni Thread and > Danville's with no problems..The thread (The > Guderbrod) "feels" like great thread, so, am i doing > something wrong??? Cause I have a few spools and > hate to see anything go to waste, Thanks, Chuck > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
