One thing. When I said that some court somewhere ruled that cable/dsl were not subject to common carrier rules, the truth is the FCC made that ruling, not any court.
... richard On Feb 13, 2008 12:54 PM, Richard H. Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pat, > > I believe you're absolutely correct that the networks are going to need to > be "smart" and take into account different data types and route/shape > accordingly for the networks to be efficient. Net neutrality as originally > conceived in the Markey amendment allowed for that. > > Here's the deal/misunderstanding. > > According the the original Markey Bill (it's not clear yet what the new > one specifies) networks CAN discriminate based on data type - so ISPs can > totally manage traffic by taking into account the nature of the data type - > they could NOT discriminate based on data origination (they could not, for > example, give more bandwidth within the network to CBS vs me). > > About network neutrality and competition. First, of course, if everyone > has a fair playing field within the network (like a phone call from me to > you, gets the same priority as a phone call from one AT&T executive to > another), then competition will be increased, sine it allows innovators and > start ups with lots of ideas and little money to compete and, in fact, we've > seen this a lot already afforded by the web. Second, competition was > SEVERELY curtailed when some court somewhere ruled that cable, and then dsl > companies do not have to abide by common carriage laws when it comes to the > internet. So, with phone lines, the companies who built the lines have to > share the lines with other phone companies (they get a lot of tax breaks for > building them and they are the default carrier, so it's still a good deal > for them). Makes sense, of course, since we don't want every phone company > building lines through public right aways and such. However, the internet > with cable and dsl is not treated that way. This is why you only have one > choice of ISP if you use one company's dsl lines, and same with cable. > Remember with dial up when you could use different ISPs? Very very > non-competitive, and surely one reason why there is so little build out of > high speed lines in the US compared to other first-world countries - no > motivation to do so, when you have a service monopoly on the lines already > built. > > ... just explaining what may be some misunderstanding about what "network > neutrality" is, and why it came into being ... Richard > > > On Feb 13, 2008 11:29 AM, Patrick Delongchamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Internet traffic has double in the last two years and bandwidth usage > > has increased by 40% each year. > > > > Why allow companies to charge for usage, manage traffic, and invest in > > new technology when you can kill competition and force the entire > > internet to slow down because of 5% of users? The creator of > > BitTorrent is even opposed to net neutrality. > > > > This article does a good job of highlighting the problems ISPs are > > facing as bandwidth use increases. No one here seems to be able to > > offer a solution to these issues. > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2008 11:49 AM, Tim Street <[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]<tim%40frenchmaidtv.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about that. > > > > > > Try this one: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120286741569864053.html > > > > > > > > > Tim Street > > > Creator/Executive Producer > > > French Maid TV > > > Subscribe for FREE @ > > > http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes > > > MyBlog > > > http://1timstreet.com > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2008, at 8:43 AM, David Meade wrote: > > > > > > > that url doesnt work for me. > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2008 11:39 AM, Tim Street <[EMAIL > > > > PROTECTED]<tim%40frenchmaidtv.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > Officials Step Up Net-Neutrality Efforts > > > > > > > > > > Here's an update from the Wall Street Journal > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/3dzjbr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Street > > > > > Creator/Executive Producer > > > > > French Maid TV > > > > > Subscribe for FREE @ > > > > > http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes > > > > > MyBlog > > > > > http://1timstreet.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.DavidMeade.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Richard > http://richardhhall.org > Shows > http://richardshow.org > http://inspiredhealing.tv > -- Richard http://richardhhall.org Shows http://richardshow.org http://inspiredhealing.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
