thanks for the address, jay. guess what - we are both in southwest michigan!
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "liza jean" <dared...@...> wrote: > > your email address is not available and your websites don't have a > contact page - unless i have to have an account with you . . . > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <k9disc@> wrote: > > > > Liza Jean, > > I guess the profit sharing could work both ways. > > > > As a production company, you are killing yourself with the > > presentation of your site. It just doesn't look serious. (just > being > > frank here...). > > > > I think I could help you with the presentation of dyna-flix.com. > > There is no reason for your site to not look incredible. You've > got > > all that scantily clad talent, and it's just sitting there in the > > middle of a white page. If you had a better layout and design, and > > asked people to cruise around and check things out I bet you'd be > > doing much better. > > > > Please take a look in my signature for examples of my work. > > > > If you are interested, give me a shout privately. > > > > That goes for anyone else too. > > > > peace, > > Ron Watson > > http://k9disc.com > > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > http://rescuedogstv.com > > http://k9athlete.com > > > > > > On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:14 AM, liza jean wrote: > > > > > there are two of us at dyna-flix.com and after a year and a half > of > > > hard work and 50 fifteen minute chapters on the market as $5 > > > downloads or 3 on a DVD for $20 we were up to $100 a day in sales. > > > average. down a little with all the fear out there about money. > > > > > > most "pay sites" in our niche sell subscriptions. we prefer > > > individual sales with active feedback from our customers thru a > > > guestbook and a yahoo group. we tend to get our money back for > each > > > chapter in the first 48 hours we have it on the market. so we own > > > our library free and clear. but we don't own much else but a pole > > > barn. > > > > > > we currently run advert free on blip as our 150 or so clips there > are > > > nothing more than commercials for our work - getting some 1200 > views > > > a day. but once we finish the toned down (ever so slightly) set > of 6 > > > shows for australian broadcast we might park them on blip and > troll > > > for a sponsor. > > > > > > we had invited a third artist into this project. he helped us get > up > > > and running but dropped out. we'd take him back in a heartbeat, > but > > > he can't wait for the money like we can. > > > > > > mind you during this year and a half we have been deleted from > > > youtube some dozen times in spite of millions of channel views > with > > > no complaints. seems it might be industrial sabotage of some > sort - > > > one is likely to find hot competion in a well funded niche. > > > > > > this year i hope to add ringtones and wallpapers to our product > line, > > > see about getting into the i-tunes store, and sacrifice 40% of the > > > sale price to sell some more of our commercials on clips4sale. > > > > > > we are maybe getting close "1000 true fans" level where we will > > > venture into the exciting world of profit. > > > > > > the above is offered in hopes it will help someone else believe in > > > themselves enough to try. > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson <k9disc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't care about people doing this for me, it's not about dog > > > > sports. It's not about me. My stuff was only an example. > > > > > > > > This is about the concept of profit sharing with producers and > > > > supplementing income of video producers and giving much needed > > > help > > > > to community developers. > > > > > > > > It's the idea that I'm pushing, I don't want to push anybody > into > > > > doing anything for me, but I do think this idea has merit and > am a > > > > bit confused about the lack of interest on the list here. > > > > > > > > I hate this kind of communication, email lists, it's so easy to > get > > > a > > > > mixed message. > > > > > > > > I do like the latter part of your post, Jay, and think you are > on > > > it. > > > > > > > > I don't think Rosenbaum's piece was very groundbreaking either, > > > other > > > > than the fact that it was in print (large blog) and it > reinforced > > > > what I've believed and have been in the process of doing for a > > > couple > > > > years now. And it did so with a little bit of anecdotal evidence > > > and > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > I'm not used to seeing my thoughts and ideas in media until > > > several > > > > years after they develop. > > > > > > > > You are right about the passionate hobbyist supporting their > > > > community, but I think it goes further than that. I think we're > > > all > > > > about to realize just how important community is. We've been > > > having > > > > our eyes opened it here Michigan for a few years now and as the > > > > economy takes it's final spins around the toilet bowl we're all > > > going > > > > to get a look at how worthless our lives as consumers feeding an > > > > economy have become and how damaging it was to our society. > > > > > > > > We're all going to want to belong to and we're all going to > *need* > > > to > > > > belong to something in the near future. > > > > > > > > I think that profit sharing for niche content is a viable method > > > for > > > > keeping a cottage studio afloat and for getting great content > for > > > > niche communities. > > > > > > > > Creating daylight between spectator quality video and decent > > > > production has to happen in order to get the concept of pay to > > > play > > > > video working. > > > > > > > > Getting past the flash in the pan YT viral score / instant > > > celebrity > > > > thing has to happen as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the thoughts Jay. Enlightening as always. > > > > > > > > peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Watson > > > > http://k9disc.blip.tv > > > > http://k9disc.com > > > > http://discdogradio.com > > > > http://pawsitivevybe.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Jay dedman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to beat a dead horse, though, and I can see > that > > > > > there's > > > > > > little interest on the list in entertaining the concept of > > > making > > > > > > money through profit sharing with community developers and > small > > > > > > businesses. > > > > > > It's a bummer though. It could be the big thing that makes > > > producing > > > > > > independent video profitable, or at least not a total money > > > pit. It > > > > > > also could put different kinds of creative people in the > same > > > room > > > > > > and on the same page fostering who knows what kind of > exciting > > > > > > possibilities. > > > > > > > > > > I think you just need to change your strategy. > > > > > Why approach this group who aren't passionate about dog > training? > > > > > Just not something I want to spend my time doing for any > amount > > > of > > > > > money. > > > > > > > > > > BUT I'm sure you know a whole community of dog lovers who now > have > > > > > access to cameras. > > > > > Harness them to gather video for you. > > > > > I'm sure they'd love some bucks, but passionate hobbyists > often > > > just > > > > > do it because they love it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm also certain that it'll be easier to get people to record > > > video > > > > > and send it to you...then actually getting the to edit the > videos > > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > Editing videos is where the real time and skill is. > > > > > Then you would need to talk serious money because editing > video > > > is not > > > > > a light task. > > > > > > > > > > I personally don't think Michael Rosenbaum's article is very > > > > > groundbreaking. > > > > > Porn has done the "pay for download" thing for years. > > > > > We all could have been doing it as well. > > > > > Is this "THE YEAR" when people start paying for non-porn > > > content? > > > > > Doubtful. > > > > > > > > > > Because it's so easy to get free content online...and folks > > > usually > > > > > just route around "pay to view" barriers, a more likely > scenario > > > is > > > > > that people will give you money just because they want to > support > > > the > > > > > content. They WANT to support you vs they HAVE to pay you to > > > watch. > > > > > It's the NPR model vs the Comcast model. > > > > > > > > > > A small, but committed, fan base will fund you because they > know > > > that > > > > > if they don't, you wont exist. > > > > > This means your creations must be really important to them so > take > > > > > chances and make the things no one else is or can. > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > http://ryanishungry.com > > > > > http://jaydedman.com > > > > > 917 371 6790 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
