Well Goldwyn was roundly ripped at the time and am a big fan of the film, but it is nothing remotely like either Tyler Perry films or Daughters of the Dust. It is a very, very, dark stange & disturbing film. It is not that "Black films don't do well in Black communities" it is that dark, nasty disturbing films about families as opposed to say aliens don't do well outside the art house world. I hardly consider Goldwyn at that time a bunch of narrow minded idiots who did not understand how to market a film. Pretty much every director thinks a company did not market their film correctly.
I truly wish you all the luck with this great film, but I will be most curious to see if you will be able to detemine the racial breakdown of who buys the dvd/streaming or whatever. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jessica. You don't know Charles Burnett (appearing on the evenings of April > 6, 7 *and* 8 at MoMA. Be there!). He doesn't get angry. At all. And he's > not very sensitive -- in fact, he's a realist. He told an interviewer that > it's a shame and the Goldwyn Company got incensed because he was right and > they blew it out of proportion. > > We'll never know if it would have died in the black communities since they > didn't show it there. In fact, the studios never considered a black > film-going community until Tyler Perry and of course, it took and indie to > prove it. I do know KILLER OF SHEEP did well in some of these theaters and > ours was a 30-year-old B&W film that doesn't have Danny Glover in it. The > idea that Black art films don't do well in Black communities and they don't > do well overseas is based on pre-conceived, self-defeating notions! > Actually, DAUGHTERS OF THE DUST was the first to prove that. :-) > > DD > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jessica Rosner > <jessicapros...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I guess we can argue this at some point, but this film would have died in >> regular theaters in the black community. I know how the director is >> sensitive about this, but I just don't agree and I do remember his anger at >> the time of release. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Well, we do know where it is. It's just a case of somebody acting on it. >>> And yes and no. Goldwyn got great reviews but they put the film in the >>> arthouses and excluded the black neighborhoods. They could and should have >>> done both. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Jessica Rosner < >>> jessicapros...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Good Luck on TO SLEEP WITH ANGER . Great film, though I do think Godwyn >>>> got a bum rap for allegedly not marketing it well. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey, Kim, >>>>> >>>>> TO SLEEP WITH ANGER was another example, but MGM actually didn't own >>>>> the rights they sold to Netflix so it was pulled shortly thereafter. My >>>>> fault, I'm afraid to admit, but I'm still hoping it will be restored and >>>>> properly released one day by the rightful owners. >>>>> >>>>> Studios and indies are indeed bypassing some films on DVD to go >>>>> straight to streaming. If they do stop in-between, they are creating >>>>> DVD-Rs >>>>> made to order. >>>>> >>>>> Studios are not really gauging interest in older films by streaming. >>>>> They're doing it because the money is there now and in the future. I'm >>>>> told >>>>> at least by one indie that they are buying as much as possible now because >>>>> they can stream for good money with little effort. Ugh, but it's a >>>>> reality. >>>>> >>>>> Netflix, on the other hand, is not buying *everything* on DVD anymore. >>>>> For smaller titles like ours, they wait until there's enough members >>>>> waiting >>>>> on the queue for it combined with a good tomato rating. If neither exists, >>>>> they won't buy it. So if a DVD is not available on Netflix, DVDs still >>>>> might >>>>> exist. >>>>> >>>>> There's a good article about the various streaming/download sites in >>>>> this week's Hollywood Reporter (with a photo of the wonderful Jodie Foster >>>>> on the cover) though I suspect some sites are GREATLY exaggerating their >>>>> numbers. I had a least six jokes to follow this, but I'll leave that to >>>>> y'all to do offline. >>>>> >>>>> AMIA in Austin this year! >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Dennis Doros >>>>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero >>>>> PO Box 128 >>>>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640 >>>>> Phone: 201-767-3117 >>>>> Fax: 201-767-3035 >>>>> email: milefi...@gmail.com >>>>> www.milestonefilms.com >>>>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com >>>>> www.arayafilm.com >>>>> www.exilesfilm.com >>>>> www.wordisoutmovie.com >>>>> www.killerofsheep.com >>>>> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org >>>>> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Stanton, Kim <kim.stan...@unt.edu>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Over the last few months, I’ve had several faculty ask me to purchase >>>>>> something they watched on Netflix (either DVD or streaming) for the >>>>>> collection and I haven’t been able to locate a new or used copy for sale >>>>>> anywhere. I’ve also run into a few instances where a film has never been >>>>>> released on DVD, but you can watch instantly (usually for a limited time >>>>>> frame) on Netflix. Looking for Mr. Goodbar (’77) is the only example I >>>>>> can >>>>>> think of offhand. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is Netflix streaming being used by studios to gauge interest in older >>>>>> film before releasing on DVD? Or are they already starting to bypass the >>>>>> physical copy for streaming? And I’ve noticed a few newish releases that >>>>>> are available streaming (Netflix or Amazon Instant) but not DVD – I >>>>>> thought >>>>>> this was a “watch exclusively here for the first month” thing, but now >>>>>> I’m >>>>>> wondering if these films will ever come out on DVD. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this another sign of an impending physical media apocalypse? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kim Stanton >>>>>> >>>>>> Head, Media Library >>>>>> >>>>>> University of North Texas >>>>>> >>>>>> kim.stan...@unt.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> P: (940) 565-4832 >>>>>> >>>>>> F: (940) 369-7396 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>>>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>>>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >>>>>> as >>>>>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>>>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>>>> producers and distributors. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >>>>> as >>>>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>>> producers and distributors. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jessica Rosner >>>> Media Consultant >>>> 224-545-3897 (cell) >>>> 212-627-1785 (land line) >>>> jessicapros...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>> producers and distributors. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best, >>> Dennis Doros >>> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero >>> PO Box 128 >>> Harrington Park, NJ 07640 >>> Phone: 201-767-3117 >>> Fax: 201-767-3035 >>> email: milefi...@gmail.com >>> www.milestonefilms.com >>> www.ontheboweryfilm.com >>> www.arayafilm.com >>> www.exilesfilm.com >>> www.wordisoutmovie.com >>> www.killerofsheep.com >>> AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org >>> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! >>> >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jessica Rosner >> Media Consultant >> 224-545-3897 (cell) >> 212-627-1785 (land line) >> jessicapros...@gmail.com >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > > > -- > Best, > Dennis Doros > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero > PO Box 128 > Harrington Park, NJ 07640 > Phone: 201-767-3117 > Fax: 201-767-3035 > email: milefi...@gmail.com > www.milestonefilms.com > www.ontheboweryfilm.com > www.arayafilm.com > www.exilesfilm.com > www.wordisoutmovie.com > www.killerofsheep.com > AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org > Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
