Hi all, I did mean Region TWO dvds, in this case, published in France, sorry!!
What I've heard so far from librarians in France and in the US is that we apply the law of the country we're buying from: There is no "Doctrine of First Sale" in France - librarians pay an extra fee for each DVD they purchase. Many of them use vendors whose job is to negociate prices with the publishers that include the lending fee, so as not to deal with each publishers themselves. The most famous vendors are Colaco, http://www.colaco.fr/?p=droits, and ADAV, http://www.adav-assoc.com/qui.html. Soooo expensive! This is more than a grey area to me... I'm totally in the dark here right now :( Thanks Jessica for the tip on "digging to see if it has in fact been bought for US release and may be out". That's ok for a tiny portion of what's actually produced in Region 2. In another thread, someone suggested that the simplest way to do this was just checking Amazon. That's what we do. Thanks for your help, Nadia On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Nadia Gabriel <nadp...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm interrupting this conversation to bounce on Brigid's answer > > Found this through a French site, but it is a Region 1 DVD sold by > amazon.com: [...] > > How often do you purchase Region 1 DVDs for your library? If/when you do, > should you pay a copyright fee, or what they call "droit de prĂȘt" in > France? > My customers ask for more French movies but most of them are Regions 1 > DVDs. More and more people have 'dezoned/multizone' DVD players so the > technical issue is not so much the matter nowadays but I'm more concerned > about the legal issues. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, > > Nadia Gabriel > Librarian at Alliance Française de Washington > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:56 PM, <videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu>wrote: > >> Send videolib mailing list submissions to >> videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Looking for The Red and the Black (Deg Farrelly) >> 2. Re: Looking for The Red and the Black (Jessica Rosner) >> 3. Re: Looking for The Red and the Black (Brigid Duffy) >> 4. Re: Looking for The Red and the Black >> (ghand...@library.berkeley.edu) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:50:47 -0700 >> From: Deg Farrelly <deg.farre...@asu.edu> >> Subject: [Videolib] Looking for The Red and the Black >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: <cb602547.1017f%ic...@exchange.asu.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> My day to ask for help. >> >> Looking for DVD of 1957 version of The Red and the Black produced by >> Franco London Films S.A. and Documento Films. Is it out on DVD? Not >> listed on Chris Lewis' excellent "Classics Not on DVD" wiki in either >> English or French title: Rouge et le Noir) >> >> We have an apparently bootleg VHS that has bit the dust (NOT acquired >> under MY watch!) >> >> Thanx. >> >> >> -- >> deg farrelly >> Arizona State University >> P.O. Box 871006 >> Tempe, AZ 85287 >> Phone: 480.965.1403 >> Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:01:42 -0500 >> From: Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking for The Red and the Black >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Message-ID: >> <CACRe6m_HEDjHRSeZ_bxG4cLMUR3hy5WfNCNaMeLnQq-rqmNk= >> w...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> This sounds like a question for Peter as I don't think there is a US >> release. >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Deg Farrelly <deg.farre...@asu.edu> >> wrote: >> >> > My day to ask for help. >> > >> > Looking for DVD of 1957 version of The Red and the Black produced by >> > Franco London Films S.A. and Documento Films. Is it out on DVD? Not >> > listed on Chris Lewis' excellent "Classics Not on DVD" wiki in either >> > English or French title: Rouge et le Noir) >> > >> > We have an apparently bootleg VHS that has bit the dust (NOT acquired >> > under MY watch!) >> > >> > Thanx. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > deg farrelly >> > Arizona State University >> > P.O. Box 871006 >> > Tempe, AZ 85287 >> > Phone: 480.965.1403 >> > Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu >> > >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> serve as >> > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> > producers and distributors. >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Jessica Rosner >> Media Consultant >> 224-545-3897 (cell) >> 212-627-1785 (land line) >> jessicapros...@gmail.com >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:23:03 -0800 >> From: Brigid Duffy <bdu...@sfsu.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking for The Red and the Black >> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: <0073cab8-3af3-493c-a5fe-41fb79a5f...@sfsu.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Found this through a French site, but it is a Region 1 DVD sold by >> amazon.com: >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FTIK8Y?ie=UTF8&tag=filmsdefrance-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001FTIK8Y >> >> >> Brigid Duffy >> Academic Technology >> San Francisco State University >> San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 >> E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu >> >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote: >> >> > This sounds like a question for Peter as I don't think there is a >> > US release. >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Deg Farrelly <deg.farre...@asu.edu> >> > wrote: >> > My day to ask for help. >> > >> > Looking for DVD of 1957 version of The Red and the Black produced by >> > Franco London Films S.A. and Documento Films. Is it out on DVD? >> > Not listed on Chris Lewis' excellent "Classics Not on DVD" wiki in >> > either English or French title: Rouge et le Noir) >> > >> > We have an apparently bootleg VHS that has bit the dust (NOT >> > acquired under MY watch!) >> > >> > Thanx. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > deg farrelly >> > Arizona State University >> > P.O. Box 871006 >> > Tempe, AZ 85287 >> > Phone: 480.965.1403 >> > Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu >> > >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It >> > is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >> > video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> > libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> > distributors. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jessica Rosner >> > Media Consultant >> > 224-545-3897 (cell) >> > 212-627-1785 (land line) >> > jessicapros...@gmail.com >> > >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It >> > is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >> > video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> > libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> > distributors. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:24:19 -0800 >> From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking for The Red and the Black >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Message-ID: >> <52e77db313209e689305c75a2a35f0bd.squir...@calmail.berkeley.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 >> >> no English subtitles... >> >> gary >> >> >> > Found this through a French site, but it is a Region 1 DVD sold by >> > amazon.com: >> > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FTIK8Y?ie=UTF8&tag=filmsdefrance-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001FTIK8Y >> > >> > >> > Brigid Duffy >> > Academic Technology >> > San Francisco State University >> > San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 >> > E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu >> > >> > >> > >> > On Feb 14, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote: >> > >> >> This sounds like a question for Peter as I don't think there is a >> >> US release. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Deg Farrelly <deg.farre...@asu.edu> >> >> wrote: >> >> My day to ask for help. >> >> >> >> Looking for DVD of 1957 version of The Red and the Black produced by >> >> Franco London Films S.A. and Documento Films. Is it out on DVD? >> >> Not listed on Chris Lewis' excellent "Classics Not on DVD" wiki in >> >> either English or French title: Rouge et le Noir) >> >> >> >> We have an apparently bootleg VHS that has bit the dust (NOT >> >> acquired under MY watch!) >> >> >> >> Thanx. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> deg farrelly >> >> Arizona State University >> >> P.O. Box 871006 >> >> Tempe, AZ 85287 >> >> Phone: 480.965.1403 >> >> Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It >> >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >> >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> >> distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jessica Rosner >> >> Media Consultant >> >> 224-545-3897 (cell) >> >> 212-627-1785 (land line) >> >> jessicapros...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It >> >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >> >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> >> distributors. >> > >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >> of >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> > producers and distributors. >> > >> >> >> Gary Handman >> Director >> Media Resources Center >> Moffitt Library >> UC Berkeley >> >> 510-643-8566 >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> >> >> End of videolib Digest, Vol 51, Issue 41 >> **************************************** >> > > > >
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