OOPS hid send WAY to early on that last one. VHS players are a pain in the ass but it is financial and convenience concern to dump them. They still work and the law recognizes them as a valid format so until you can't get one as oppossed to dumping the ones you have you have no right to make a copy because it is a pain the ass.
I am more startled though at your lack of understanding of how much time, money and resources (not to mention rights) are involved in making good DVD, blu ray or streaming copies of video material. Filmmakers and those of us who work with them take this very seriously. It is a VISUAL art not just some crap to dub a cheap washed out copy of. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jessica Rosner <maddux2...@gmail.com> wrote: > If it is an educational doc with little interest in visuals you might get > some people to OK a transfer but it like showing a black and white > photocopy of the Mona Lisa in an art house to dub an old VHS to DVD. It is > both deeply insulting to the people who made the films and illegal. > > I would not kill VHS off that fast. As long as players are > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Matt Ball <mb...@paceacademy.org> wrote: > >> Libraries don't have VCRs anymore. A video that no one can watch >> might as well not exist. I would rather have a crappy VHS-to-DVD copy than >> nothing at all. And I'm willing to pay for it. >> >> Also, it's just a matter of time before VHS is an official obsolete >> format and then, as my mom would say, "Katy, bar the door!" It might be >> to filmakers' advantage to get out in front of that eventuality. >> >> Matt >> >> >> *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> writes:* >> Seriously Matt? Dennis is MUCH better at this. But you have to go back to >> the original material often 35mm fillm elements do a decent new transfer, >> box it, promote it etc. The whole point of digital is to get high quality >> looking material. If one just took some old VHS master and dubbed it , it >> would hideous and strange as it may seem filmmakers and distributors really >> want their stuff to look good. Oh and I completely forgot PAYING FOR THE >> RIGHTS including the possibility of re licensing expensive music. Ask >> Dennis how much has been spent on things like KILLER OF SHEEP, Shirley >> Clark films etc. >> >> >> I remember a now forgotten doc I really liked that had long fallen out of >> distribution. I asked Kino to check into it, and it was now owned by >> reasonably friendly French rights holder but between licensing and >> production you were probably looking at 20 grand and it was a small title >> but also one that would have been pirated the day it became available. >> >> >> Imagine trying to put small films out in the increasingly decreasing DVD >> market, it almost impossible just to cover costs. >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Matt Ball <mb...@paceacademy.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Just curious about the enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in >> digital format, how much does it cost to burn a DVD from one's computer? >> >> Matt >> >> ___________________ >> Matt Ball >> Director, Woodruff Library >> Pace Academy >> 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. >> Atlanta, GA 30327 >> mb...@paceacademy.org >> >> >> *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>* writes:* >> the catch 22 is that when institutions make copies of out of print VHS >> titles it makes it that much harder for rights holder to justify the >> enormous cost of putting smaller titles out in digital format. In theory >> libraries say they will be only to glad to upgrade to a legal copy if one >> is released but in reality rights holders can't count on that. Ironically I >> think this is pushing some rights holders to have titles only available via >> stream or download which libraries hate. >> >> >> Also the law is VERY clear that if you make copies they may not ever be >> "checked out" for home use and there is an intense debate ( focusing on >> the definition of "premise") if they may in fact ever leave the library to >> be used in a classroom. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Brown, Karen E <kebr...@albany.edu> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Thank you, Jessica. I suppose we can also make a case based on age and >> use that items in our collection are deteriorating. Our problem is that >> most of our patrons don’t have a VHS player at home; there are none in our >> classrooms. The material, as a result, is not being used. Those that are >> consist of off-beat titles that aren’t the major candidates for publishers >> to migrate forward to a more popular media. These, and the so-called >> “orphan works”, will be our biggest challenge in clearing permissions to >> reformat. >> >> Best, Karen >> >> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:31 PM >> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright searches for videotape >> >> >> >> >> >> Well at the risk of being jumped on VHS does not fit the copyright code >> definition of an obsolete format so unless you document that every VHS you >> are weeding is literally in the process of deteriorating not just a pain in >> the neck to use the law does not let you make digital copies. I have VHS >> copies that are 30 years old and just fine and would a lot worse if I >> transferred them to digital format. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Brown, Karen E <kebr...@albany.edu> >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear colleagues: >> The University at Albany, SUNY, is in the process of weeding VHS >> materials held in our general collection, all of which was commercially >> produced. Regarding those titles for which a more current format is not >> available we will need to obtain copyright clearance before we consider >> reformatting. >> We are wondering if there are other educational institutions that have >> worked through a project such as this that have “video copyright searching” >> documentation tools or data that they would be willing to share to assist >> us. >> Thank you in advance for your input and advice. >> Best, >> Karen E.K. Brown >> Head, Preservation Department >> University at Albany Libraries >> 1400 Washington Ave, Room SL 310 >> Albany, NY 12222 >> Tel. (518) 437 3923 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________ >> Matt Ball >> Director, Woodruff Library >> Pace Academy >> 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. >> Atlanta, GA 30327 >> mb...@paceacademy.org >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________ >> Matt Ball >> Director, Woodruff Library >> Pace Academy >> 966 W. Paces Ferry Rd. >> Atlanta, GA 30327 >> mb...@paceacademy.org >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
