ugh NO interest in licensing not KNOW On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Jessica Rosner <maddux2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is very hard to track down international films but with a lot of work > you can usually find rights holder. I honestly think the bigger problem is > that even if you find the rights holder they are likely to have know > interest in licensing the film to you as their goal is to have a US > distributor. > Many years ago on an utterly unrelated rights issue a major ( studio) > rights holder told a small company wanting to license a film for VHS ( yes > that long ago) that the studio was never going to put out itself that "It > will cost more money for our lawyers to read the contract than we will ever > make" . That sounds nasty but it happens to be true. Now every once in a > while there is a happy story ( I remember putting someone in touch with the > director of Quartier Mozart and he owned the rights himself and was happy > to make a deal) but more often it is like the reaction above and again it > is actually true that for a company like Gaumont,Bavaria or Universal it > would be too expensive to license a single title to an institution and it > gets worse for situations where you have made for TV, or indie older films > or other types for which streaming is not even available unless the entire > contract is redone > > Honestly I would just skip trying to get streaming rights and focus on > seeing if you can find a legal DVD import to put on reserve and have the > equipment to play it on. > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Threatt, Monique Louise < > mthre...@indiana.edu> wrote: > >> Good points, Jessica. >> >> >> >> I would want to participate in a forum with all parties involved. >> >> >> >> Another huge problem is, as you post, tracking down right holders for >> international films. **sighs** >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Mo >> >> >> >> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:46 AM >> >> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright >> question: American Playhouse Films >> >> >> >> Alas I won't be at NMM and I doubt Dennis will be either and this brings >> up what I think is the biggest problem when discussing copyright and >> streaming at educational institutions. I see lots of posts here and on >> colib for webinars, sessions, conferences devoted to the issue but only >> once did I see one which actually included a representative of a major\ >> rights holders. I am happy to be corrected as I don't follow every listing >> but it seems like the same "experts" from either universities or people >> from organizations often hostile to rights holders involved. Not my >> favorite group but has anyone from MPAA ever been involved. or from a major >> studio or company? Dennis and I poke our heads in here but without the >> participation of an intellectual property lawyer it strikes me that too >> much takes place in vacuum with only one view represented >> >> >> >> The other huge problem is that the issue of what constitutes "fair use" >> in streaming is totally separate from tracking down the right holder. The >> plain fact is that there tens of thousands of films for which you simply >> can not obtain the streaming rights. There are massive numbers of film that >> have no current US distribution but the all except the small number of PD >> titles have rights holders. Those made outside the US may never have had US >> distribution , others may have in the past but the contract has expired and >> reverted back to someone outside the US. They are difficult but not >> impossible to track down but frankly in the majority of cases they are not >> interested in making a deal for one film for one institution. Its a bitch >> but it is their right. Likewise a lot of American indie films have expired >> contracts and have pretty much identical issues with the foreign films. >> Even if you find the rights holder there is reasonable chance especially >> with a film older than 10 years that they do not own those rights because >> the were not in the original contract and require getting permission and >> paying multiple parties. Fun stuff. >> >> On the positive side streaming is something most rights holders want to >> offer so they are usually aggressively working on it but there can be all >> kinds of legal, financial and technical issues that they have to clear. >> >> I think librarians need to make a concerted effort to fulfill a streaming >> request but at the same time they also have to accept and get the >> instructor to accept that not every film can be streamed and they might >> have to consider options like a different title or actually having students >> watch it on a DVD ( if you have a legal copy of that) >> >> Librarians and rights holders should absolutely be working together on >> these issues. Clearly if a rights holder has to surmount costly issues to >> make a film available for streaming then knowing libraries want to purchase >> it will help. I think accessing feature films at least through Hulu, >> Amazon, Fandor etc is honestly more practical in many cases at least for >> films that played in theaters not those made or focused on the educational >> market >> >> Bottom line educational institutions and rights holders must work >> together but it needs to be broader group of rights holders and >> instructors need to understand that they can't stream every film they might >> want. >> >> Jessica >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey < >> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote: >> >> Yes, I agree that a WebEx or another remote conferencing tool would be >> great. Thanks for the feedback so far. I think this is something that we >> can do. >> >> >> >> Sarah >> >> >> >> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jodie Borgerding >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:20 PM >> >> >> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright >> question: American Playhouse Films >> >> >> >> I can’t make it to NMM either but my university has a WebEx license so I >> would be more than happy to “host” a discussion. >> >> >> >> Jodie >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Jodie L. Borgerding, M.L.S. >> >> Instruction and Liaison Librarian >> >> Emerson Library >> >> Webster University >> >> 470 E. Lockwood >> >> St. Louis, MO 63119 >> >> (314) 246-7819 >> >> jborgerdin...@webster.edu >> >> http://libguides.webster.edu/soc >> >> http://libguides.webster.edu/english >> >> http://libguides.webster.edu/zombies >> >> >> >> “Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the >> information he wants.” >> >> >> >> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ >> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu >> <videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Hooper, Lisa K >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:12 PM >> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright >> question: American Playhouse Films >> >> >> >> Yes! I can’t make it to NMM this year but would *love* to be a part of >> this discussion! >> >> -lisa H. >> >> >> >> Music & Media Librarian >> >> Howard-Tilton Memorial Library >> >> Tulane University >> >> 504.314.7822 >> >> @lkHMusLibrarian >> >> www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter >> >> http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc >> >> http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ >> mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu >> <videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>] *On Behalf Of *scott spicer >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:07 PM >> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright >> question: American Playhouse Films >> >> >> >> I concur, an update to the Summit "5 years on" would be a great idea. >> Unfortunately, there are many like myself who are unable to attend. If we >> do have this forum, my guidance would be to seek some kind of mechanism for >> remote live participation if at all possible (e.g., Hangout, Skype, WebEx, >> etc..) for at least part of the discussion. >> >> Best, >> >> Scott >> >> >> -- >> >> Scott Spicer >> Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian >> University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities >> 341 Walter Library >> spic0...@umn.edu 612.626.0629 >> Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media >> SMART Learning Commons: lib.umn.edu/smart >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jessica Rosner >> Media Consultant >> 224-545-3897 (cell) >> 212-627-1785 (land line) >> jessicapros...@gmail.com >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
