Yaaay! From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 3:35 PM To: Video Library questions <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright question: American Playhouse Films
Thanks, Mo! Maureen and I slayed NMM back in Nevada. Well, not literally. I mean, that's possibly worse than copyright infringement. At best, it's impolite. But we had a good time presenting. :-) Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film & Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com> Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com<http://www.milestonefilms.com/> Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.com<http://www.mspresents.com>, www.portraitofjason.com<http://www.portraitofjason.com>, www.shirleyclarkefilms.com<http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/>, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here<https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2015MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?2223081985127089573>! Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Threatt, Monique Louise <mthre...@indiana.edu<mailto:mthre...@indiana.edu>> wrote: Dennis, I hope the NMM Board will consider you to be its guest speaker, or at least panel presenter at the 2016 NMM! ☺ I also look forward to seeing your film in the near future. Best, Mo From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:23 AM To: Video Library questions <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright question: American Playhouse Films And I too have to send my regrets, but as those on our mailing list know, Amy and I have produced our first feature film ever (http://filmbysamuelbeckett.com/) --ironically, some of it's based on fair use -- and it's having it's world premiere on October 17th. To be honest, my travel these days is mostly regarding the politics and laws to save films, the fight to preserve ALL materials (outtakes and "unknown" films along with digital-born works are being left behind), and any of my knowledge of copyright is just an outgrowth of those efforts. Distribution allows me to afford to do that. I do agree with Jessica that most of these meetings on fair use have been unbalanced without representatives of rights holders present and there's a lot of wringing of hands over the perceived strength of the copyright holders. The reality is that with the internet, copyright infringement is so vast that the rights holders have almost zero control of their materials these days. And most studios are afraid to sue over new technology uses because they are afraid of losing. And they're fairly ignorant on copyright as it turns out. (I hear about their meetings and it's not impressive.) The multitude of copyright laws across the world also create further confusion. BUT -- I've stayed with this listserv for many years and have waged battles, expressed sympathy and celebrated triumphs with many of you (still waiting for that Cubs miracle) because I do believe that this is the best forum for discussing our differences. I do have a life long love of librarians as the keepers of culture. (Though to be brutally honest, if you truly believe you are preservationists, you would be participating in AMIA and attend their events because the preservation world in regards to multimedia is changing rapidly. Did you know that polyester mag tracks are now threatened? That was last week's news at The Reel Thing.) So, if we could discuss a 2016 NMM meeting, I'd love to come out and work with you all on a platform where institutional budgets and rights holder interests can be debated and a statement of best practices can be made. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film & Video PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117<tel:201-767-3117> / Fax: 201-767-3035<tel:201-767-3035> / Email: milefi...@gmail.com<mailto:milefi...@gmail.com> Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com<http://www.milestonefilms.com/> Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.com<http://www.mspresents.com>, www.portraitofjason.com<http://www.portraitofjason.com>, www.shirleyclarkefilms.com<http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/>, To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here<https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2015MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?2223081985127089573>! Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter<https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote: Alas I won't be at NMM and I doubt Dennis will be either and this brings up what I think is the biggest problem when discussing copyright and streaming at educational institutions. I see lots of posts here and on colib for webinars, sessions, conferences devoted to the issue but only once did I see one which actually included a representative of a major\ rights holders. I am happy to be corrected as I don't follow every listing but it seems like the same "experts" from either universities or people from organizations often hostile to rights holders involved. Not my favorite group but has anyone from MPAA ever been involved. or from a major studio or company? Dennis and I poke our heads in here but without the participation of an intellectual property lawyer it strikes me that too much takes place in vacuum with only one view represented The other huge problem is that the issue of what constitutes "fair use" in streaming is totally separate from tracking down the right holder. The plain fact is that there tens of thousands of films for which you simply can not obtain the streaming rights. There are massive numbers of film that have no current US distribution but the all except the small number of PD titles have rights holders. Those made outside the US may never have had US distribution , others may have in the past but the contract has expired and reverted back to someone outside the US. They are difficult but not impossible to track down but frankly in the majority of cases they are not interested in making a deal for one film for one institution. Its a bitch but it is their right. Likewise a lot of American indie films have expired contracts and have pretty much identical issues with the foreign films. Even if you find the rights holder there is reasonable chance especially with a film older than 10 years that they do not own those rights because the were not in the original contract and require getting permission and paying multiple parties. Fun stuff. On the positive side streaming is something most rights holders want to offer so they are usually aggressively working on it but there can be all kinds of legal, financial and technical issues that they have to clear. I think librarians need to make a concerted effort to fulfill a streaming request but at the same time they also have to accept and get the instructor to accept that not every film can be streamed and they might have to consider options like a different title or actually having students watch it on a DVD ( if you have a legal copy of that) Librarians and rights holders should absolutely be working together on these issues. Clearly if a rights holder has to surmount costly issues to make a film available for streaming then knowing libraries want to purchase it will help. I think accessing feature films at least through Hulu, Amazon, Fandor etc is honestly more practical in many cases at least for films that played in theaters not those made or focused on the educational market Bottom line educational institutions and rights holders must work together but it needs to be broader group of rights holders and instructors need to understand that they can't stream every film they might want. Jessica On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey <sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu<mailto:sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu>> wrote: Yes, I agree that a WebEx or another remote conferencing tool would be great. Thanks for the feedback so far. I think this is something that we can do. Sarah From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>] On Behalf Of Jodie Borgerding Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:20 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright question: American Playhouse Films I can’t make it to NMM either but my university has a WebEx license so I would be more than happy to “host” a discussion. Jodie ________________________________________ Jodie L. Borgerding, M.L.S. Instruction and Liaison Librarian Emerson Library Webster University 470 E. Lockwood St. Louis, MO 63119 (314) 246-7819<tel:%28314%29%20246-7819> jborgerdin...@webster.edu<mailto:jborgerdin...@webster.edu> http://libguides.webster.edu/soc http://libguides.webster.edu/english http://libguides.webster.edu/zombies “Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.” From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Hooper, Lisa K Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:12 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright question: American Playhouse Films Yes! I can’t make it to NMM this year but would love to be a part of this discussion! -lisa H. Music & Media Librarian Howard-Tilton Memorial Library Tulane University 504.314.7822<tel:504.314.7822> @lkHMusLibrarian www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter<http://www.facebook.com/TulaneMusicAndMediaCenter> http://www.library.tulane.edu/libraries/mmc http://bamboulanola.tumblr.com/ From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott spicer Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:07 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Grassroots collaboration Was RE: Copyright question: American Playhouse Films I concur, an update to the Summit "5 years on" would be a great idea. Unfortunately, there are many like myself who are unable to attend. If we do have this forum, my guidance would be to seek some kind of mechanism for remote live participation if at all possible (e.g., Hangout, Skype, WebEx, etc..) for at least part of the discussion. Best, Scott -- Scott Spicer Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities 341 Walter Library spic0...@umn.edu<mailto:spic0...@umn.edu> 612.626.0629<tel:612.626.0629> Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media<http://lib.umn.edu/media> SMART Learning Commons: lib.umn.edu/smart<http://lib.umn.edu/smart> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897<tel:224-545-3897> (cell) 212-627-1785<tel:212-627-1785> (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
