Dear Lex, My observations were withing the context of songs with an independent basso part in addition to the guitar alfabeto, such as the Marini 1622 collection. Clearly, if only the alfabeto were present then I'd generally expect only the guitar. I'd be very grateful if you'd read my postings with more care - it might save us both a lot of time!
And yes, I do think that where an independent basso part is present and the guitar is strumming chords then the bass line is best played by another instrument: bowed bass, theorbo (just solo line?) or other. The alternative which you appear to be suggesting is that we dispense with the written bass line altogether if the guitar strums chords. Are you really sure this is what the various other people you mention really believe? - I very much doubt it. And. more to the point - is it really what you believe? regards Martyn --- On Tue, 26/4/11, Lex Eisenhardt <eisenha...@planet.nl> wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt <eisenha...@planet.nl> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Composition of short songs in early 17th century Italy - was Marini - was Grenerin To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Tuesday, 26 April, 2011, 11:23 > Incidentally, I'm not suggesting bowed bass for the songs if the theorbo is present - only if the guitar is used without the theorbo. And if the guitar and theorbo were both present then the theorbo need only play the bass line - a mode which is documented. Indeed to avoid too much plucking I would certainly favour a single line plucked bass if the guitar was present It seems you prefer ensemble performance with a separate bass, if a guitar would be involved. There is a wealth of information from pre 1600 to c 1650 time testifying of singing to the guitar. And where can we read (see) about singing to the guitar + bowed bass or guitar + theorbo? (Please note that I don't say 'never' or 'impossible'.) As I understand from reading what others have said about the use of bowed string in basso continuo, for example Borgir, O'Dette + Ashworth, Sayce, I have the impression that they have not found much either, regarding combinations with the guitar. It seems bowed bass was mainly used in certain other genres. best, Lex To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html