Indeed Eugene. But aren't we looking at early vihuelas here rather than
later 5 course guitars. Hence my reference to the Milan engraving which
shows a 'large' sized instrument (tho' to be fair, some other
iconography - all pretty crude stuff - does show smaller instruments
which _may_ be vihuelas too).
Martyn
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Braig, Eugene" <brai...@osu.edu>
To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; Monica Hall
<mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 12:59
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Ah, yes. I believe that video is excerpted from Bream's little BBC
series Guitarra!
The size of the instrument also looks in line to me with that of other
18th-c. Spanish guitars. I've personally inspected this fine piece by
Jose Massague, e.g.
[1]http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/503390?r
pp &pg=1&rndkey 140513&ao=on&ft=*&what=Musical+instruments|Guitars&pos
Best,
Eugene
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From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on
behalf of Martyn Hodgson [[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:30 AM
To: Monica Hall; Braig, Eugene
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Yes it is interesting. But it's surely not a 'very large' instrument:
in fact, it looks relatively smaller than the picture of a vihuela
played by Orpheus in Milan's collection. Perhaps you mean it's
bigger
than most vihuelas played nowadays - but isn't that perhaps because
of
a modern belief that the instrument was generally in G at A440!...
regards,
Martyn
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From: Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
To: "Braig, Eugene" <[6]brai...@osu.edu>
Cc: Vihuelalist <[7]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 9:41
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
Wow! If you go on YouTube and put in Julian Bream + Santiago de
Murcia
you
will find a video of him playing the Preludio and allegro from
Passacalles y
obras! It is a very large instrument strung with octaves on the 4th
and
5th courses.....with a very imposing sound.
Interesting indeed.
It seems that Segovia included this piece too in vol. 3 of his Obras
de
guitarra series.
Amazing what you can find on the internet.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][8]brai...@osu.edu>
To: "Monica Hall" <[2][9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[3][10]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 4:56 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
> Bream's de Murcia was recorded on a 1983 "baroque guitar" by Jose
> Romanillos.
>
> Best,
> Eugene
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Monica Hall [[4][11]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:20 PM
> To: Braig, Eugene
> Cc: Vihuelalist
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>
> Please do - that would be helpful!
> Monica
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[5][12]brai...@osu.edu>
> To: "Vihuelalist" <[6][13]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16 PM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
>
>
>> Bream's recording actually did use a 5-course guitar (I can check
the
>> exact phrasing in the liner notes when home from the office), but
he
>> certainly favored a modern functionality when dabbling in "early"
>> instruments.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eugene
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Monica Hall [mailto:[7][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk]
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:08 PM
>> To: Braig, Eugene
>> Cc: Vihuelalist
>> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>>
>> That's helpful. I have just realized that Harvey Hope recorded 4
pieces
>> by
>> Murcia in 1979to . He and James Tyler play "baroque instruments"
but
>> Segovia and Bream presumably clasical guitar. I am sure there
must
be
>> more.
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Braig, Eugene" <[8][15]brai...@osu.edu>
>> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9][16]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:33 PM
>> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
>>
>>
>>>I used to be on the guitar summit list, but I haven't looked in on
their
>>>activity for years. I'm not certain where to find them any longer
.
. .
>>>or, as you've alluded, if they even still exist.
>>>
>>> Regarding pre-1987 recordings of de Murcia's music, I am aware
of:
>>> - Andres Segovia on modern guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1977);
>>> - James Tyler on 5-course guitar (Preludio, Gabota, and La
Burlesca:
>>> 1978); and
>>> - Julian Bream on 5-course guitar (Prelude and Allegro: 1985).
>>>
>>> I would expect there are more, but these are the ones I have
immediately
>>> on hand in the day-job office.
>>>
>>> Some modern-guitar characters with related interests and whom you
might
>>> want to try contacting directly (several of whom were active on
the
>>> summit
>>> list): Matanya Ophee, Stanley Yates, Carlos Perez (and his
teacher,
>>> Ernesto Quezada), and maybe Oleg Timofeyev.
>>>
>>> Luck,
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [10][17]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[11][18]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
>>> Behalf Of Monica Hall
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:06 PM
>>> To: Azalais
>>> Cc: Vihuelalist
>>> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN
0-9618527-1-2
>>>
>>> I have Lorimer's facsimile. What I am really trying to find out
is
>>> whether
>>> there were any recordings of Murcia's music made before 1987 and
also
>>> whether any arrangements of it for classical guitar were
published
>>> before
>>> that date. The date 1987 is crucial because that is when
Lorimer's
>>> facsimile of the Saldivar ms. was published and Murcia suddenly
became
>>> flavour of the month big time. Several people including myself
did
>>> dissertations on him in the late 70s-early 80s and Robert
Strizich
>>> refers
>>> to him in his article on ornamentation in the LSA journal of
1974.
>>>
>>> Incidentally I wondered whether anyone on the list is on the
>>> Guitar-Summit
>>> list. I sent my message to them because it is more orientated
towards
>>> the
>>> classical guitar and I thought there might be someone who could
answer
>>> this query which is more about classical guitar versions than
baroque
>>> guitar.
>>> But my message didn't seem to appear on that list and I haven't
had
any
>>> response. Perhaps it is now defunct.
>>>
>>> Regards to all
>>>
>>> Monica
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Azalais
>>> To: Monica Hall
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:32 PM
>>> Subject: Lorimer's bibliography? (ISBN 0-9618527-1-2
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Monica,
>>>
>>>
>>> Your mention of the pre-1987 cut off date for de Murcia
references
leads
>>> me to believe that you must already have access to Michael
Lorimer's
>>> book
>>> and its bibliography.
>>>
>>>
>>> If not, I have a copy, if you need anything from it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for the research! I have always been a fan of De
Murcia.
>>>
>>>
>>> Azalais
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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