Yeah, always keep files on a non-volatile storage format. i still do the 3 backups rule.
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Christian Wacker <[email protected]>wrote: > My mac classic's drive got so bad that it was easier to low-level format > and reinstall than try to repair it. > And my old lc ii had a bad floppy drive that would eat disks randomly... > > > ------------------------------ > From: Tyrone L. Warbasse <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:41 PM > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Microsoft Works 2.0/3.0 virus - help! > > Ah, "bitrot", I totally forgot about that. Happens to Wintels all the time. > Been using Mac for so long, I forgot it happens on our side, too. > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Christian Wacker > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Now that i think about it, i have norton 3 or 4 for mac in my pile of >> software, still unused from work. >> I would also suggest trying to get a clean install of works 2 and 3. >> You may just have drives that are corrupting and eating data, espicially >> if this started showing up when you used floppies. >> >> ------------------------------ >> From: Tyrone L. Warbasse <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:49 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Microsoft Works 2.0/3.0 virus - help! >> >> >> Go to System 7 Today and see if there's an AntiVirus for older Macs. You >> may also want to try Macintosh Garden for older AntiVirus software as well. >> If you have a newer Mac running at least Tiger 10.4.11, you can download and >> use, for free, Sophos Anti-Virus, and there're are few other flavors as >> well. I only use antivirus on my Macs to make sure I'm not passing viruses >> onto my Micro$oft Apologist friends. >> >> Disinfectant may be the AntiVirus you're looking for. See what works for >> you. Also, if you need to use Works 2 that badly, or 3, try installing >> emulators like Mac-on-Mac, SheepSaver, Basilisk II, vMac, etc. These can be >> made to run like an older 68k or PPC Mac. Also, and maybe this is strictly >> me, but I've had no problems running some really old 68k applications on a >> 5300c with OS 9.1 and on G3 AIO with Jaguar and my dual G4 with Tiger. >> Again, it could just me. >> >> Hope any of this helps. >> >> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This is complicated - I wonder if anyone can help me. It involves both >>> software and hardware. >>> >>> A problem I had with Microsoft Works 2.0, which I thought I had >>> conquered, has reappeared and threatened me with the possible loss of most >>> of my data from many years of work. >>> >>> Because I liked the way databases functioned on Works 2.0 and couldn't >>> find an alternative I liked after years of trying, I continued to use Works >>> 2.0 from 1988 until 2004, and then Works 3.0 from 2004 to the present >>> day. Throughout the evolution of Mac computers over the years, I've been >>> unable to move up to more advanced computers for my main work because Works >>> 2.0 didn't function on them [it was limited to a computer with 24 bit >>> addressing]. The most advanced computer that functions with Works 2.0 is >>> the Quadra series. I did eventually buy a Mac G4 and more recently, a Mac >>> Mini with System 10.3.8, mostly for using the internet. Only a tiny >>> percentage of my work is on the Mac Mini or G4. >>> >>> From 1988 until around 2004, I used Microsoft Works 2.0, mostly >>> databases, for most of my professional and personal work, on computers >>> ranging from a Mac SE, Centris 610, and Quadra 650. Around 2004, my Quadra >>> 650 started behaving in a bizarre way - only when using Works 2.0 - it was >>> fine with a variety of other programs [Pagemaker, Word, MacDraw, Finale, >>> etc.]. I've never figured out what caused, or causes, the problem. >>> >>> Many strange problems occurred, like having files renamed with nonsense >>> combinations of letters and numbers, getting strange error messages, having >>> "last modified date" changed to the wrong year, etc., but the worst was that >>> trying to open, or sometimes save, a Works 2.0 file erased it. I'd get the >>> message "end of file reached." I believe the problem occurred only with >>> databases - word processing documents in Works 2.0 were not affected. >>> >>> I'm a teacher. I had a Quadra 650 at school and another Quadra 650 at >>> home. I backed up and transfered files between home and school using a >>> LaCie Joule external hard drive. At first, the problem only occurred on one >>> of the Quadras, so, assuming I had a virus, I erased the hard drive of the >>> affected Quadra and backed up data from the external drive. Eventually both >>> Quadras were affected, but in trying to save my data, I found that using >>> Works 3.0 made the problem go away. Over many weeks, I gradually opened up >>> and saved the files I worked on to Works 3.0. >>> >>> That was in 2004. Using Works 3.0, everything has been fine until >>> recently. To protect myself against a hard drive or computer part failure, >>> over the years, I purchased about five more Quadras [very inexpensively on >>> eBay or locally] - a couple of 650's, two Quadra 800 towers, and multiple >>> LaCie Joule external hard drives. >>> >>> A few months ago [October 2010?], I was doing something and got a >>> warning, something to the effect of "doing this may make your external hard >>> drive not appear on the desktop." I can't remember what I was doing or why, >>> but I needed to go forward with it, so I pressed "ok." After that, not only >>> did my external hard drive disappear from the desktop, but trying to simply >>> turn on my computer [now the Quadra 800] with the LaCie Joule external drive >>> turned on and connected [via the usual SCSI port], resulted in the computer >>> not being able to boot. >>> >>> At that point, I began using my computer without being able to back up my >>> work because I wasn't able to connect an external hard drive. I tried >>> several different LaCie Joule drives and the computer failed to boot with >>> any of them, so the external drive wasn't the problem. I don't know if it's >>> a software problem or a SCSI connector problem. >>> >>> In any case, I continued using the Quadra 800 and Works 3.0 without >>> backing up and without any problems until last month, specifically January >>> 26, 2011. After having been retired for three years, I started working at a >>> private school this year. I wanted to use my Works 3.0 databases at the new >>> school, so, not being able to connect an external drive to my computer, I >>> started using floppies to move a few files from my home Quadra 800 to >>> another Quadra 800 that I took to school. In the process of moving several >>> files to the floppies, I inadvertently opened an old file in Works 2.0. I >>> didn't think anything of it, but the next day when I tried to use the files >>> on the Quadra 800 at school, the old virus reappeared, for the first time >>> ever in Works 3.0. Opening the file caused the dreaded "end of file >>> reached" to appear on the screen - the file had been erased. >>> >>> I continued using my home Quadra 800, hoping that somehow, the virus >>> wouldn't show up, but last night [Feb. 19, 2011], it did. Opening up my >>> daily planner calendar erased it - "end of file reached." >>> >>> Today I have about 6,000 files, mostly databases, about half of which >>> were converted to Works 3.0, and half that remain in Works 2.0. I have >>> everything up to Oct. 2010 backed up on at least one external hard drive, >>> but my most recent work is not backed up because of the external drive/boot >>> up problem. In the past, the virus did not erase every file opened - it was >>> more of a random thing. Some were able to open without an apparent problem. >>> Some files opened, but a small portion of the data was turned into random >>> letters and numbers. >>> >>> I want to save my files. My fantasy is that someone nearby [I live in >>> the northwest suburbs of Chicago] will respond, saying "I can get rid of the >>> virus [or whatever it is] and you can continue to use Works 3.0 on all your >>> old Quadras without any further problems!" >>> >>> Other than that, I think my best bet is to copy and paste the data into a >>> modern database program, or at least a spreadsheet like excel. It might be >>> clunky and difficult to use compared to Works 3.0, but at least the data >>> would be saved and usable. Of course attempting to open the files will >>> probably erase at least some of them. Also, I don't have excel on my >>> Quadra, and if I did, how would I be able to move the converted excel files >>> off my Quadra 800 to a modern computer, like my G4 or Mac mini? Years ago, >>> I purchased and installed on my G4 an Adaptec 2906 SCSI adapter card, but it >>> no longer works. When it worked, I was able to transfer files from my >>> Quadras to the G4 via the LaCie external hard drive. >>> >>> So as I said at the beginning of this long diatribe, I have a >>> software/virus problem on my Quadra 800, and also a hardware SCSI connector >>> problem on the same computer and my G4. >>> >>> I'm stuck - any thoughts?? HELP!! >>> >>> Thank you for any suggestions. >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ----- >>> You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs >>> group. >>> The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our >>> netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To leave this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs >>> >>> Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tyrone L. Warbasse, >> http://www.totallyparanoia.com/ >> http://www.myspace.com/coffee4binky/ >> >> "¿Cuál es tu nombre? Vete a la mierda, ese es mi nombre!" >> >> Twitter: coffee4binky >> AOL/AIM: detectiveragga >> Yahoo! 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