Okay, so I have been a mad scientist trying to build a network for my vintage macs. I thought it would be good to give a current configuration of my machines and systems before I ask my next question. Here goes!
Macintosh SE: System: OS 7 (6.0.8 via floppy if necessary) HD: 6gb (4 partitions) IDE drive. Converted to SCSI using an R-IDSC-E/ R chip. Working ADB keyboard and mouse. (+1 adb trackpad I own) Floppy: Two 1.4mb drives (running for 800k due to ROM issues) Two serial ports, one DB25, two ADB, one DB19. Macintosh Performa 6110CD (Power Mac 6110): No HD (bought a 9gb scsi drive...coming in mail soon) One floppy drive (1.4mb) One cd-rom drive (not working too well...don't know why...could be some driver issues) Working keyboard and mouse (adb) Working VGA display (using a hdi-45 to db15 cable and a Griffin PNP display adapter) Two serial ports, one db25 port, one adb port, one AAUI Ethernet port PowerBook 1400cs: HD: 750mb OS: 7.5.3 Hot swappable 800k/1.44mb floppy and cd-rom drives One serial port Built in keyboard and trackpad One adb port No working battery Newton eMate 300: Standard configuration No power supply Battery is shot (completely dead) Been charging with a dc power adapter actually made for my home phone system...seems to turn it on fine. Okay, so that is the current configuration of my machines. I also have purchased the following: 3 farallon Phonenet minidin8 adapters 1 AAUI to Ethernet adapter Assorted cables for the whole network... Okay, so moving on. I was planning to use the Performa as a bridge machine to allow for Internet to pass through. After all, it does have LocalTalk and Ethernet access. However, my issue came when I was trying to figure out how to configure it. The machine has no HD at the moment, and the HD it had was shot anyway. How can I get system software (<7.5.x) onto the new HD when it arrives? I have thought floppy, but I cannot seem to find compatible software that would allow me to get onto floppy disks. The only system software I found was a 19-part download on apple's website, but that just mounted (on the PowerBook) as a ~50mb folder or something. Inside was an installer app. Obviously I cannot divide that into floppies, as no actual disks were inside. Suggestions? Also, what is a good piece of software to act as a bridge to allow the incoming Ethernet TCP/IP packets over the AppleTalk network? I know that natively you cannot send TCP over LocalTalk, but using 3rd party software or hardware you can. Also, in case that fails, what is a good piece of hardware that will allow for an Ethernet Internet "provider" over Phonenet? I have set up a Phonenet network (connected the computers via a LocalTalk serial connection), and I know that there is hardware available that you can use to convert Ethernet to LocalTalk (serial). I need this, however, to supply the internet connection for the entire network. I want to be able to send Internet through Ethernet, and then be able to surf the web and download files to my Mac SE, PowerBook, Performa, and eMate. Does anybody have any suggestions for either of the two things I just mentioned above. Beyond that, I can officially say that my Mac SE is running great! It is rocking a new HD, and it works better than ever. The PowerBook worked fine when I started out. The performa needs some major work, but all parts required are on the way. Only thing left is to network them all together. Oh, I forgot. The host computer that will be supplying the Ethernet connection is my MacBook Pro (running 10.7 lion). Does anybody have a way to, well...send an Internet connection, over Ethernet, that will work with my vintage network? I was thinking Internet sharing (airport to Ethernet in system preferences), but then I thought it could be an issue because of compatibility or something. Then again, I could be totally wrong, and it would work just fine. Does anybody have a way to do this? Will lion be able to send a normal Internet sharing connection to a performa (or piece of bridge hardware) with no issues? Thanks everybody for all the help! -Jake On Nov 20, 12:38 am, Clark Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > On Nov 19, 2011, at 2:58 PM, glen wrote: > > > _ > > >> From: Jake <[email protected]> > > >> After the previous suggestion, I went and bought three farallon > >> phonenet adapters. Thanks! Can't wait to network! > > >> Does anybody have any links to hook the phonenet system up to an > >> actual ethernet (~) Internet connection? Or, does nobody have a way of > >> getting either a PowerBook 1400cs or a Mac SE in the internet? > > You need two functions to get a LocalTalk Mac on the Internet. The first is > to convert from LocalTalk to (AppleTalk over RS-485) to EtherTalk (AppleTalk > over Ethernet). The second is to convert from MacIP (IP over AppleTalk) to > IP over Ethernet. > > The first step can be done with any of a number of AppleTalk bridges > (normally used to connect LocalTalk equipped printers to Ethernet Networks). > Farallon, Asante, Sonic and others made these devices. You can also do it > using LocalTalk Bridge software on a Mac connected to both networks. Apple > provides this software for free on their web site. > > <http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Upda...> > > For the second part, converting MacIP to IP over Ethernet you can use > IPNetRouter Sustainable Softworks. > > <http://www.sustworks.com/sb_site/products.html> > > Or you can get both features in one by using a Kinetics FastPath or Cayman > Gatorbox. Both of these are going to be hard to find, and likely even harder > to get working. I had several FastPaths and gave up on them when they one by > one stopped working (they are old). > > I've used many combinations of the above over the years and they have all > worked well enough. The biggest problem is that the older Macs just can't do > a lot on the Internet. E-Mail, ftp, telnet are okay. Web is okay if you are > accessing VERY primitive web pages. Which excludes about 99.99% of what is > out there. I never could find an ssh client that would run on the older > systems. > > > As > > you stated the SE has a specific PDS (96 pin I think) and given the > > space limitations of the SE the card has is 90 degree angle to the plug. > > I think the Mac IIsi uses the same card but my memory may not be > > correct. > > The SE/30 and IIsi do use the same PDS slot and most cards can be used on > both. On the SE/30 if the PDS card includes a FPU it will need to be removed > / disabled. > > > > > There are also SCSI to ethernet adapters out there somewhere. --glen > > Slow and getting very hard to find. > > Clark Martin > Redwood City, CA, USA > Macintosh / Internet Consulting > > "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- ----- You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. 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