I have a cable modem hooked up to an apple airport network. I guess my main question is: Can I use LocalTalk Bridge (by apple) running on the performa to route an active Internet connection To the other machines through Phonenet?
-Jake On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:34 PM, "dale-gmail" <[email protected]> wrote: > Jake; > > I think you have most of the parts. > let me look over the hardware you have listed. > > SE = OS 7 ( what) 7.5.5 is best (68000 cpu) > performa 6110CD os ? (powerpc 601) > powerbook 1400cs 7.5.3 is probably o.k. (powerpc 603e) > > and the type of Internet connection to the outside world, > modem direct or router and or switch/hub.? > also do you have a switch/router installed before the modem to the outside.? > is the macbook pro directly connected to modem?? > and do you have any Ethernet Cables like the one from macbook pro to modem?? > > > I have just finished doing what you are talking about with > two LC 475s (68040 cpu)and a SE (68000 cpu). > the LC 475a are running OS 7.6.1 and OS 8.1 > SE is running OS 7.5.5 > one LC has an Ethernet board installed > and connects to the second LC and the SE over AppleTalk/macIP > the Ethernet connects to a switch and then to the router/modem > > > works o.k. > kind of slow over the AppleTalk/localtalk connection. > web browser -(netscape/Internet explorer/icab) - ftp (fetch) - and some other > stuff. > used a program called ipnetrouter to switch from AppleTalk to Ethernet on one > lc 475. > > you connect the phonenet to the printer serial port on the performa 6110CD > and the SE > and to the only serial port on the powerbook > > kind of looks like this: > > powerbook serial port --> phonenet (with terminator in the empty hole) > other hole to a second phonenet pluged into to the performa printer serial > port --> second hole on same phonenet to third phonenet (with terminator in > empty hole) to printer serial port on SE > to get sharing working -- goto file sharing in the control panel -- name the > machine/user and then > start file sharing on all machines. > goto another machine and click on chooser then click on appleshare = you > should see the first machine name in the window. > > good luck > > we may have to do this via phone/skype. > > dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake" <[email protected]> > To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: Mac SE SCSI > > > Okay, so I have been a mad scientist trying to build a network for my > vintage macs. I thought it would be good to give a current > configuration of my machines and systems before I ask my next > question. Here goes! > > Macintosh SE: > System: OS 7 (6.0.8 via floppy if necessary) > HD: 6gb (4 partitions) IDE drive. Converted to SCSI using an R-IDSC-E/ > R chip. > Working ADB keyboard and mouse. (+1 adb trackpad I own) > Floppy: Two 1.4mb drives (running for 800k due to ROM issues) > Two serial ports, one DB25, two ADB, one DB19. > > Macintosh Performa 6110CD (Power Mac 6110): > No HD (bought a 9gb scsi drive...coming in mail soon) > One floppy drive (1.4mb) > One cd-rom drive (not working too well...don't know why...could be > some driver issues) > Working keyboard and mouse (adb) > Working VGA display (using a hdi-45 to db15 cable and a Griffin PNP > display adapter) > Two serial ports, one db25 port, one adb port, one AAUI Ethernet port > > PowerBook 1400cs: > HD: 750mb > OS: 7.5.3 > Hot swappable 800k/1.44mb floppy and cd-rom drives > One serial port > Built in keyboard and trackpad > One adb port > No working battery > > Newton eMate 300: > Standard configuration > No power supply > Battery is shot (completely dead) > Been charging with a dc power adapter actually made for my home phone > system...seems to turn it on fine. > > Okay, so that is the current configuration of my machines. I also have > purchased the following: > 3 farallon Phonenet minidin8 adapters > 1 AAUI to Ethernet adapter > Assorted cables for the whole network... > > > Okay, so moving on. I was planning to use the Performa as a bridge > machine to allow for Internet to pass through. After all, it does have > LocalTalk and Ethernet access. However, my issue came when I was > trying to figure out how to configure it. The machine has no HD at the > moment, and the HD it had was shot anyway. > How can I get system software (<7.5.x) onto the new HD when it > arrives? I have thought floppy, but I cannot seem to find compatible > software that would allow me to get onto floppy disks. The only system > software I found was a 19-part download on apple's website, but that > just mounted (on the PowerBook) as a ~50mb folder or something. Inside > was an installer app. Obviously I cannot divide that into floppies, as > no actual disks were inside. Suggestions? > > Also, what is a good piece of software to act as a bridge to allow the > incoming Ethernet TCP/IP packets over the AppleTalk network? I know > that natively you cannot send TCP over LocalTalk, but using 3rd party > software or hardware you can. > Also, in case that fails, what is a good piece of hardware that will > allow for an Ethernet Internet "provider" over Phonenet? I have set up > a Phonenet network (connected the computers via a LocalTalk serial > connection), and I know that there is hardware available that you can > use to convert Ethernet to LocalTalk (serial). I need this, however, > to supply the internet connection for the entire network. I want to be > able to send Internet through Ethernet, and then be able to surf the > web and download files to my Mac SE, PowerBook, Performa, and eMate. > Does anybody have any suggestions for either of the two things I just > mentioned above. > > Beyond that, I can officially say that my Mac SE is running great! It > is rocking a new HD, and it works better than ever. > The PowerBook worked fine when I started out. The performa needs some > major work, but all parts required are on the way. Only thing left is > to network them all together. > > Oh, I forgot. The host computer that will be supplying the Ethernet > connection is my MacBook Pro (running 10.7 lion). Does anybody have a > way to, well...send an Internet connection, over Ethernet, that will > work with my vintage network? I was thinking Internet sharing (airport > to Ethernet in system preferences), but then I thought it could be an > issue because of compatibility or something. Then again, I could be > totally wrong, and it would work just fine. Does anybody have a way to > do this? Will lion be able to send a normal Internet sharing > connection to a performa (or piece of bridge hardware) with no issues? > > Thanks everybody for all the help! > -Jake > > On Nov 20, 12:38 am, Clark Martin <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Nov 19, 2011, at 2:58 PM, glen wrote: >> >> > _ >> >> >> From: Jake <[email protected]> >> >> >> After the previous suggestion, I went and bought three farallon >> >> phonenet adapters. Thanks! Can't wait to network! >> >> >> Does anybody have any links to hook the phonenet system up to an >> >> actual ethernet (~) Internet connection? Or, does nobody have a way of >> >> getting either a PowerBook 1400cs or a Mac SE in the internet? >> >> You need two functions to get a LocalTalk Mac on the Internet. The first is >> to convert from LocalTalk to (AppleTalk over RS-485) to EtherTalk (AppleTalk >> over Ethernet). The second is to convert from MacIP (IP over AppleTalk) to >> IP over Ethernet. >> >> The first step can be done with any of a number of AppleTalk bridges >> (normally used to connect LocalTalk equipped printers to Ethernet Networks). >> Farallon, Asante, Sonic and others made these devices. You can also do it >> using LocalTalk Bridge software on a Mac connected to both networks. Apple >> provides this software for free on their web site. >> >> <http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Upda...> >> >> For the second part, converting MacIP to IP over Ethernet you can use >> IPNetRouter Sustainable Softworks. >> >> <http://www.sustworks.com/sb_site/products.html> >> >> Or you can get both features in one by using a Kinetics FastPath or Cayman >> Gatorbox. Both of these are going to be hard to find, and likely even harder >> to get working. I had several FastPaths and gave up on them when they one by >> one stopped working (they are old). >> >> I've used many combinations of the above over the years and they have all >> worked well enough. The biggest problem is that the older Macs just can't do >> a lot on the Internet. E-Mail, ftp, telnet are okay. Web is okay if you are >> accessing VERY primitive web pages. Which excludes about 99.99% of what is >> out there. I never could find an ssh client that would run on the older >> systems. >> >> > As >> > you stated the SE has a specific PDS (96 pin I think) and given the >> > space limitations of the SE the card has is 90 degree angle to the plug. >> > I think the Mac IIsi uses the same card but my memory may not be >> > correct. >> >> The SE/30 and IIsi do use the same PDS slot and most cards can be used on >> both. On the SE/30 if the PDS card includes a FPU it will need to be removed >> / disabled. >> >> >> >> > There are also SCSI to ethernet adapters out there somewhere. --glen >> >> Slow and getting very hard to find. >> >> Clark Martin >> Redwood City, CA, USA >> Macintosh / Internet Consulting >> >> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" > > -- > ----- > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To leave this group, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ > -- > ----- > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To leave this group, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > Support for older Macs: http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- ----- You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. 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