well we've not been discussing that as a possible issue. The issue at hand is whether or not an iOS device without peripheral attached effectively stalls, in terms of Voice Over speech, for up to 60 - 90 seconds, as a result of, as I suspect, very high speech rates being employed.
Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 15:31, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: No, but at times Bo loses focus when I habe it connected to my braille display and nor have I ever had the issue you describe although I started with the I phone 4 and now use the 4 S. On 9 May 2012, at 03:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <for...@talknav.com> wrote: > Kawal, > > But, you do not have this issue right? the issue where Voice Over stops > speaking for 60 - 90 seconds at a time. > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > www.neilbarnfather.com > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > > On 9 May 2012, at 15:25, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > Hello Neil. > > I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words. However I use > Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too. > > On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <for...@talknav.com> > wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of >> you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is >> set very fast. >> >> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. >> >> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of >> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. >> >> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate >> set to just 40%. >> >> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a >> more moderate level say, 60% or less? >> >> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the >> issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, >> but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem >> to have in common. >> >> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> www.neilbarnfather.com >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: >> >> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being >> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher >> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in >> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't >> addressed either. >> >> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would >> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. >> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a >> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this >> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across >> various iPhone and iPad models. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav >> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >> >> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I >> mean turn it off and back on again? >> >> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> www.neilbarnfather.com >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: >> >> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. >> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. >> >> Danielle >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <for...@talknav.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Danielle, >>> >>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to >> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps >> running at the time etc. >>> >>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for >> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the >> issue resolves. >>> >>> A: speech rate no more than 60%, >>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring >> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. >>> >>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. >>> >>> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one >> of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I >> mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: >>> >>> Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient >> not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this >> before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't. >>> >>> Danielle >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" >>> <for...@talknav.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM >>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>> >>> >>>> Eric, >>>> >>>> Do you have your synth speed set to very fast, or quite slow, I believe >> the default is about 30% or perhaps 40% but not faster. >>>> >>>> I keep mine around 50% but never higher. >>>> >>>> I also clear the switcher daily and restart. >>>> >>>> in your posting you give no reference to if you clear the switcher and >> restart your iOS device daily. >>>> >>>> do you do both of these things and what rate do you have VO set to? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> www.neilbarnfather.com >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>> >>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 May 2012, at 11:48, Eric SS wrote: >>>> >>>> I am amazed and confounded that so many who have been here for so >>>> long and speak as though they have such great knowledge act as though >>>> this is an unheard of experience that is brand new and only happening >> with a very few. >>>> >>>> This has been going on since IOS5. I know I have discussed it at >>>> length and probably too much. Apple has never acknowledged the issue, >>>> although they did once ask for clarification of what situations caused >> it. >>>> >>>> Trust me, I am a very heavy user and fairly knowledgeable and the >>>> issue is real and is not limited just to a few new occurrences on >>>> this list. I have tested it under all situations I can come up with >>>> on a 4S and old ITouch, with both quality voices and even alternate >>>> accents. I have restored both devices on several occasions; complete >> restores and not merely from backup. >>>> I have methodically added applications to the devices to find if >>>> maybe one is causing the problem. None of these has revealed anything but >> randomness. >>>> >>>> The only thing I can see that is more apt to trigger a lockup is >>>> quickly scanning elements. I have found if I stop speech or wait >>>> until it has finished speaking, I can reduce the occurrences, but >>>> even this does not eliminate them. Recovery seems an inexact science, >>>> as well. Eighty seconds seems to be the magic time to allow it to >>>> right itself, but I count to 40 and then touch the screen to prevent >>>> it going dem or to sleep, and then wait another 40 counts. It may not >>>> be exactly 80 seconds, but a count of 80 seems to be about right. >>>> Otherwise, you can restart the phone with multiple presses of the >>>> power button, but that will start you back at the home screen. I read >>>> a lot in Safari, and it is maddening to have to find your place in >>>> the middle of the New York Times once or twice per issue. Hence, nursing >> the device to recover on its own is best. >>>> >>>> I have had this locking up in nearly every application from those I >>>> have purchased to native apps. Again, it seems to be most consistent >>>> when skimming from element to element. They do not have to be >>>> paragraph length clips, but may be dates in the calendar app. >>>> >>>> I have presented all of this to Apple on many occasions and have >>>> begged their assistance or at least some acknowledgement of the >>>> issue. As I said, beyond requesting more information one time, I have >>>> never even been given so much as a thank you for your inquiry. >>>> >>>> The only reasons I can think some don't seem to be having this issue >>>> ever is like they used to say with Windows: If you have not crashed, >>>> you are not using your computer enough. Well, there could be some Fan >>>> Children refusal to believe anything could ever be amiss with one of >>>> the annointed's blessings, too,. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Daniel Miller >>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:21 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>> >>>> Um, what speech locking up are you talking about? I don't have that >> issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of James Mannion >>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 4:15 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>> >>>> It doesn't really sound like this release addressed much. I would not >>>> be surprised if there are few or no fixes for anything accessibility. >>>> They may have made a quick fix for the app launching on unlock since >>>> people made such a huge deal out of that small avoidable not really a >>>> problem issue, but I wish they would fix the speech locking up over >>>> that one. It is really strange though that they put out this release >>>> to fix what appear to be such minor issues and they let huge issues >>>> hang out there for 6 or 9 months until some planned release and at least >> claim to have addressed them. >>>> Purely speculation here of course on all of this, but I am betting >>>> there was some change in this release that Apple has some motivation >>>> to make and it is not written anywhere. >>>> Something like a jailbreak whole patched or something. >>>> >>>> On 5/7/12, Veronica Elsea <veron...@laurelcreekmusic.com> wrote: >>>>> Anyone know if 5.1.1 addresses the blue tooth issue that prevented >>>>> the Braille Sense OnHand from working properly with the phone? Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Veronica >>>>> >>>>> At 01:07 PM 5/7/2012, you wrote: >>>>>> Another issue not addressed, apparently, is in the calendar. When >>>>>> you select all day as an option, it Kicks you completely out of the >>>>>> calendar still. >>>>>> >>>>>> It does not give me hope that they have addressed the speech >>>>>> locking up issue, either. We can only hope! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Telephone: (614) 522-9725 >>>>>> Skype: sseric57 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Scott Howell <scottn3...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well it may be a little early to tell if this issue has been >>>>>> addressed, but I am not seeing the issue where occasionally the >>>>>> phone app would launch when I unlocked the screen. So, this may be >>>>>> one item not addressed in the release notes. I guess only time will >> tell. >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Cristobal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I downloaded it this time with no issues. The one bug I was glad >>>>>>> to see addressed and I always encountered was that purchase prompt >>>>>>> error >>>>>> every time >>>>>>> I downloaded an app about how x number of items were unable to be >>>>>>> downloaded. Other than that, I didn't notice anything on the list >>>>>>> of fixes that I had trouble with. I guess I'll keep an eye out per >>>>>>> say for any accessibility improvements/fixes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 11:54 AM >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jenifer and all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just because accessibility isn't mentioned in the summary of the >>>>>>> update doesn't necessarily mean no accessibility improvements will >>>>>>> be >>>> included. >>>>>>> There may not be any, but there have certainly been times in the >>>>>>> past where there were some, but they weren't mentioned in the >>>>>>> update What's New summary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Anna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 7, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Jenifer Gilley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nothing accessibility. A few bugs that were addressed in photo >>>>>>>> stream, >>>>>>> airplay, and two more things I can't remember, but nothing that >>>>>>> has to do with accessibility. I'm updating now though just because. >>>>>>>> Jenifer Gilley >>>>>>>> email >>>>>>>> claudas...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> MSN: >>>>>>>> claudas...@cox.net >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Cristobal >>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:53 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: iOS 5.1.1 is out >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It appears that iOS 5.1.1 is out for iPhones, Touches and iPads >>>>>>>> for those >>>>>>> who wish to give it a try. I remember running into some issues >>>>>>> that didn't prevent me from updating to 5.1 on my phone, but did >>>>>>> crash it the >>>>>> first time >>>>>>> I tried downloading it. Gizmodo only mentions a few bug fixes so I >>>>>>> don't know if there's anything accessibility related. 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