In addition to what Ricardo points out, if you actually look at realistic
specification comparisons that have been done between high end PCs by the major
manufacturers, such as Dell, and a comparable iMac, the iMac ends up being less
expensive. For example, the really high end gaming systems that some people
buy are anywhere between $500 and $1500 more than an iMac with equal specs.
When you buy standard PCs, you are getting run of the mill parts. If you start
actually putting in quality components, then you pay through the nose. And
don't use that age old response that you can put a system together piece meal
on your own because that adds up in the end with the cost, shipping and time
spent building it. I've been there and done that many times. It's not like
the old days where it really did make a price difference.
It's a good idea to actually do actual research before making uneducated
assumptions. On top of that, there is an old saying that you "gets what you
pays for". Buy crap and get crap. Yeah, you can buy, for example, a Windows
laptop for $400 or $500, as my sister in-law just bought. However, I'd take my
Mac Book Pro any day over that for the quality of the hardware, the operating
system and the customer service. She has had nothing but trouble with her
laptop, especially in installing software and using it with external devices.
It is, btw, an HP laptop. HP tech support tells her that it's not their
responsibility as their standard line.
Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com
On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> With all do respect, I find this extremely hard to believe. Yes. Macs are
> more expensive but, not twice as expensive as PC equivalents. An 21 inch
> iMac starts at $1100. So, for you to spec that out to 2300, you must have
> added some goodies. :). If you tried to build a PC equivalent of a $2300
> iMac, you wouldn't come close to spending under a grand. You would be
> talking at least, 15 to 1800 dollars. And that's excluding a screen reader
> of course.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Jun 22, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> A few months ago, my Windows PC died, and i had to make a decision about
>> what to buy. I priced an iMac with the specs I wanted, along with a Dell
>> machine. The Mac would have run me $2300. The Dell with a few discounts
>> ran me under $1000, and had superior specs. I already owned a windows
>> screen reader, so that was a non issue. I went for the Dell. i just
>> couldn't justify spending over double the price just to be cool.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: THINKING ABOUT A MAC!
>>
>> What are we talking about here? Macs versus PC's or cell phones?
>>
>> People are saying Macs are cheaper then PC's with screen readers, but I
>> think each person needs to do their own research here and their own
>> addition. I noticed no one has tossed out any numbers. Screen readers
>> for Windows run from free to $1K. Depending on what you need to do the
>> free screen reader may be completely sufficient. Macs do cost more than
>> PC's when talking about equivalent performance. People need to do their
>> own research to find out if the Mac they want will cost $1K more than a
>> comparable PC or not.
>>
>> The quality of customer service and support is another totally
>> subjective point. Not all PC's come from the same manufacturer, so you
>> can't categorically say that Apple's customer service and support is
>> better than any PC maker across the board.
>>
>> The quality of the screen reader is also totally subjective and
>> dependent on the tasks you need to accomplish with it. To say that one
>> is second rate or that another is superior is just an opinion.
>>
>> Contrary to popular belief and Apple's propaganda, Apple's and Macs are
>> not immune from viruses.
>>
>> Also, I have a Symbian phone for 10 years, and neither Talks nor Mobile
>> Speak cost $390, so I'm not sure where that number comes from. Talks was
>> around $300, and you could get Mobile Speak for about $100 from AT&T.
>>
>> IMHO, these debates are fruitless, especially when no numbers or facts
>> are even being used or incorrect facts/numbers are tossed out. It's also
>> highly off topic for this list, at least in my opinion. Nothing good can
>> come from these discussions, and each person needs to decide what is
>> best for them. This isn't always the same answer for each person, and
>> that's OK. No one needs to defend their decision or put down any one
>> else's decision.
>>
>> On 22/06/12 16:27, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> overpriced they may be, but their quality (and warrantee service) are
>>> definitely loads better. besides, why should I have to spend $400 or more
>>> for mobile speak or talks on a microsoft device (which, itself, may be
>>> overpriced)?
>>>
>>> I have no love for MS products. they were never intended to have any
>>> accessibility built in (again, you need to pay out extra for that and it is
>>> often more than most blind/VI people can afford).
>>>
>>> I have 2 phones here: an iPhone 3GS and a HTC Dash_3G. I like the
>>> responsiveness and ease of use the iPhone offers. I had to spend $390 just
>>> to make the dash accessible, and that even required a sighted person to set
>>> it up for me. believe me, given the choice, I would rather use linux or OS
>>> X and to hell with MS products.
>>>
>>> -eric
>>>
>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Russ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Based upon limited knowledge Macs are overpriced. The screen reader
>>>> capability is 2nd rate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:55 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: THINKING ABOUT A MAC!
>>>>
>>>> Stop that! Going back and forth is the worst thing you can do! Trust me on
>>>> that.
>>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Chuck Dean wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Carol ,
>>>>> I bought a Mac back in January, and I still haven't gotten the hang of
>>>> voice over.
>>>>> I went to the Apple store, who were not much help, and tried to find
>>>> tutorial videos but not much is out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess my problems stem from me going back and forth between Zoom and
>>>> voice over, something I do all the time on my PC. I do have some vision, so
>>>> I only want to use the screen reader for a few things. I can not find the
>>>> proper settings to run it like I run my PC. Perhaps they do not exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> I run both Mac and PC through the same monitor using a VGA A B switch.
>>>>> I am currently on a PC with Zoom Text, which never fails to disappoint me.
>>>>> As said above, there is a learning curve, it does not seem as intuitive as
>>>> the iPhone.
>>>>> Just my two cents worth,
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM UTC-7, Carol Pearson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The time is coming now to replace my current desktop and I'm thinking
>>>>> about a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, though, can you really work as quickly when it comes to
>>>>> editing docs?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is out there that will work for database and word processing that
>>>>> will give you the full functionality you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM UTC-7, Carol Pearson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The time is coming now to replace my current desktop and I'm thinking
>>>>> about a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, though, can you really work as quickly when it comes to
>>>>> editing docs?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is out there that will work for database and word processing that
>>>>> will give you the full functionality you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM UTC-7, Carol Pearson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The time is coming now to replace my current desktop and I'm thinking
>>>>> about a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, though, can you really work as quickly when it comes to
>>>>> editing docs?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is out there that will work for database and word processing that
>>>>> will give you the full functionality you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM UTC-7, Carol Pearson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The time is coming now to replace my current desktop and I'm thinking
>>>>> about a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, though, can you really work as quickly when it comes to
>>>>> editing docs?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is out there that will work for database and word processing that
>>>>> will give you the full functionality you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM UTC-7, Carol Pearson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The time is coming now to replace my current desktop and I'm thinking
>>>>> about a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, though, can you really work as quickly when it comes to
>>>>> editing docs?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is out there that will work for database and word processing that
>>>>> will give you the full functionality you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, June 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM UTC-7, Carol Pearson wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The time is coming now to replace my current desktop and I'm thinking
>>>>> about a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, though, can you really work as quickly when it comes to
>>>>> editing docs?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is out there that will work for database and word processing that
>>>>> will give you the full functionality you expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>
>>>>>
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