Hi Bose, who is now a manufacturer I really like, seems to have quite a generous returns policy. Buy your Bose product, and if you're not happy within 30 days you can request a no quibbles refund and they will even collect the returning product at your disposal. > On 11 Mar 2016, at 20:06, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Listen before you buy. Or be sure to have a return policy. This is true with > all audio hifi gear. > > I heard rumors that Sonos was looking at developing an online backup solution > of playlists made within the Sonos app. From for example Tidal, Spotify and > apple music and hard drive into a single playlist in the Sonos app. A backup > in «my account» in Sonos online. Have this happened yet? > > It is possible to use a play1, 3 or 5 as a backup if you don’t reset one of > theese. Choose connect to excisting network after reset of a device. Did not > get an answer about online backup from support. Therefore, i ask here. > > Take care > > 11. mars 2016 kl. 20:12 skrev Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com>: > > Well, I will let the experts answer most of your questions. I can tell you > that the AppleTV will work with Sonos play bar. I was told to make sure that > I use Dolby Digital for this to work. As far as speakers are concerned, my > understanding is at the play bar contains nine speakers. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 11, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Sieghard, >> >> I did not read yet about the playbar. Can you give me an idea of the >> difference in sound I would have against my high end Yamaha which, as you >> well said, is not very accessible at all except for basic functions. >> >> For instance, could I plug in my CD player into the playbar? How large is >> it? Does it include speakers. I have now moved to a smaller apartment and, >> in time, I would like to modernize and go smaller. I have 2 large Rega >> speakers, 2 medium size Mission speakers and a subwover and all that takes a >> lot of space. I have to say that my set-top box is plugged into my sound >> system so that the TV sounds very good. In time, I would also like to get an >> Apple TV. Would it go into the Sonos Playbar? >> >> A lot to think about. My sound system is about 8 years old and still working >> very well for now. Would it be a waste for now to get the Connect and then >> use it later on as you are using yours? My bedroom is very small so I’m >> wondering if the Play1 speakers would be enough. >> I guess I’ll have to find a Sonos dealer in Montreal to see if I can go and >> listen. >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 12:59 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Sonos >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> What you describe will work fine. The question is how old your Yamaha system >> is and your end goal. I bought a high-end Sony surround receiver in 2009 >> which at the time was $1,500 and since I already had a Sonos Connect I did >> exactly what you are planning to do. I had two front, a centre and two rear >> in-ceiling speakers hooked up, but no Subwover. 3 years ago I ended up >> caving in and I ordered a Playbar, Sonos Su and 2 Play 1 speakers as rear >> speakers and I have never looked back. My living room gained more space >> since my two front speakers are gone, my TV/stereo shelf doesn’t have a huge >> receiver sitting on it and I am now using that Connect player at my store >> and there is a lot less cable. Also, there is of course the fact that Sonos >> is fully accessible whereas my Sony receiver was useable in terms of >> switching inputs and basic functions, but a lot of advanced functionality >> was not accessible. >> >> If you aren’t planning to get rid of your Yamaha receiver and speakers I’d >> say go for the Connect, but if it’s an older system you may consider buying >> a Playbar instead of a Connect and later add a Sub and two Play 1 as >> surround. >> >> Using a Play 3 or Play 5 in the bedroom is of course a great idea, here you >> really have to decide how much you can and want to spend. It used to be that >> the Play 1, 3 and 5 were $199, $299 and $399 US, but now the new Play 5 >> jumped up to $499 so you could buy a set of Play 1 and put them into stereo >> mode for less than a single Play 5. You should maybe go to a reseller that >> sells Sonos and listen to a single Play 5 as well as a set of Play 1 and a >> set of Play 3 to decide. Of course if you set up two Play 1 or Play 3 in the >> bedroom you wouldn’t want to take one of them outside since each time you >> would have to re-establish the stereo pairing which maybe a bit of a pain. >> >> Just remember that Sonos is extremely flexible and while you may not be able >> to buy all you would like all at once, you can just add to it over a few >> years. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Ron Pelletier >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:16 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Sonos >> >> Hi you two Sonos Experts, >> >> I have a good Yamaha sound system in my living room with 4 speakers and >> woofer. Since I am on a limited budget, my thinking is that I should first >> get a Sonos Connect to get the sound into that system and then get a Sonos >> speaker or two for my bedroom. One of these speakers, I guess, could easily >> be brought on my patio on a nice day until I can afford an outdoors speaker. >> >> What do you think of my reasoning and, please make suggestions if its is a >> little off. >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 11:46 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Sonos >> >> Hi Jonathan, >> >> First of all, welcome to Sonos, I didn’t know you had bought into it, but it >> definitely is awesome. >> >> As for the Connect, I understand that I could get any wireless headset setup >> and plug it into the RCA line-out or Optical out on the Connect. But >> considering that most of the wireless headsets I would consider are between >> $300 and $500 I really was waiting for a true Sonos headset. If Somebody who >> wouldn’t normally need a Connect has to buy one just for that purpose then >> it also becomes a pretty expensive headset solution. >> When I bought my first Sonos products in 2009 it was 3 Connect Amp which >> then were called ZP120 and 2 Connect which were the ZP90 back then. They >> only had those players then and actually a set of stand-alone bookshelf type >> speakers. The Play 5 which started out as the S5 came I think in 2011 and I >> bought it then. Anyhow, I am still holding out for a native Sonos headset as >> I am convinced it will be coming at some point. My thought is that they do >> have to release a new product sometime and now that they have 3 portable >> players, a soundbar and Sub it must be something they consider especially >> considering that I am not the only one asking for it. I once talked to a >> Sonos customer service guy and mentioned it and he said he gets people >> asking for it on a pretty regular bases and you find stuff like “Dear Sonos, >> please make me headphones! | iMore” when you Google around for it. >> >> What I really like about Sonos is the longevity of their products. While my >> Zp120 units are now called Connect Amp and my ZP90 is now the Connect, they >> still are essentially the same units even though mine are now 7 years old. >> It’s nice to see a company that makes some good hardware which is then >> improved over time with software updates. The only Sonos product which was a >> bit of a flop was the 30-Pin dock which they sold back in the iPhone 4/4S >> days. It was I think around $120 at the time and basically was a dock which >> acted as a stand-alone player and it also had a headphone jack. I still have >> mine but of course haven’t used it in many years since I don’t feel I want >> to invest in a 30-Pin to Lightning adapter and if I really want my iPhone >> connected I have a RCA to 3.5mm cable plugged into the Connect Amp in my >> bedroom and I just plug it in there, but mostly I just use Airplay since I >> have an Airport Express connected to one of my other Connect Amp units to >> add Airplay to my Sonos system. That, by the way, would be one of my other >> very few items of criticism, I think at least the new players that were >> releaed in the last few years should have built-in Airplay compatibility and >> all 3 portable players, the Play 1, 3 and 5 should have a 3.5mm headphone >> jack. >> >> OK, off my soapbox I step since I have to get ready for work *smile*. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Jonathan Mosen >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 6:37 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Sonos >> >> While a headphone jack on some of the units might be nice, I'm not convinced >> any new product is necessary, because Sonos already has one called the >> Connect. You can easily plug headphones into this, and indeed I have a >> device plugged into a connect that sends any audio from Sonos directly to my >> hearing aids. You can set it up as a room of its own or group it with >> another. For example, we have a Sonos PlayBar, sub, and two Play:1s in our >> living room for 5.1 surround sound. When we're watching a movie, I send >> audio to a Sonos connect as well so I get the sound of the movie straight >> into my hearing aids. But it could easily be wireless or wired headphones >> plugged in there. >> Becoming a Sonos household has been the coolest tech we've adopted since >> iPhone. I love this stuff. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org >> >> On 11/03/2016, at 7:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >> Hi Marie, >> >> Yes, sadly Sonos at this point is all about listening out loud and all I can >> say is to call Sonos or submit feedback via their website to let them know >> they really need to look at designing a stand-alone headset which would act >> as a separate Sonos Player. I’ve been waiting fore this for at least the >> last 2 or 3 years and each year I hope they’ll announce such a product. Of >> course there are many situations where one would want to listen privately >> with a headset and considering how much of a focus there has been on >> headsets in the last few years I don’t get it how Sonos isn’t jumping on >> that bandwagon. I think there could be either one of two products or both: >> one would be high-quality stand-alone audio file quality headphones but of >> course such a product would be very pricy considering one can easily spend >> $500 to $1,000 or even more on true audio file quality wired headphones. I >> think a product around $500 to $700 US from Sonos would be the right price >> point and one where they could really make it sound awesome. >> The other product which I think should be a companion to the headphones >> would be a small iPhone-size or slightly thicker headphone amp with >> rechargeable battery, a quarter inch headphone jack and belt clip. This >> would be the product that connects to the Sonos system and acts as a >> separate player and it would allow users to plug in any headset or >> headphones they have from a cheap $20 pair of earbuds to a pair of >> Sennheiser HD800S for $1,699 which is probably about as good as it gets. A >> product like this should maybe cost $250 to $400 or $500 at most if they put >> in really good components and if Sonos were to make only one product I hope >> it would be this one as it offers a lot more flexibility with headsets users >> already own. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Marie >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:50 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Sonos >> >> I was just reading the reviews of the Sonos Play 5 and there were complaints >> that there was no output jack on this speaker? I was under the impressions >> that it did have a headphone jack but wonder if it was removed in the newer >> model. This is a real turn off for me. 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