Same here, Mary: only a few in No Folder and not increasing. In addition, 
within No Folder the Sort Order is stuck on Add Date and refuses to change to 
Title. Harry

> On 2 Apr 2016, at 18:11, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> Yes, that is what it looks like to me, since my all items list has 994 items 
> to be precise. My no folder has just 42 items. And that number has not gone 
> up in several hours. So all items are there, they're just not in the right 
> folders, and they don't exist.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, and Mary already looked at that.
>> The feature is to select "no folder" which didn't help her since VDEr seems 
>> to still think some books are in folders even those the folder structure is 
>> not there.
>> Or at least, that is what I understood her to say.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of englishride...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader iCloud sync lost my folders
>> 
>> , Didn't you show s a feature in your little demo of version 4.0 that would 
>> let you figure out which books you've moved into a folder and which ones you 
>> haven't? I seem to remember something about that.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I sure wouldn't touch the folder structure until he knows he has the bug 
>>> squashed.
>>> 
>>> As for treating books like iBooks does, have you suggested that to Winston?
>>> 
>>> You know, the search feature works really well to save you from having to 
>>> go through that huge list to find a specific book.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck,
>>> Richard
>>> PS.  I'll keep my ears open for the cursing if this happens again.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:29 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader iCloud sync lost my folders
>>> 
>>> Thanks, richard, for the sympathy. Now I wonder if it is worth my time to 
>>> re-create my folder structure until Winston has definitely found and fixed 
>>> the bug. If you want to talk about cursing, if I redo this whole structure, 
>>> and then lose it again when I sync up to iCloud, you are going to be able 
>>> to hear me all the way up in Portland from here in Eugene when the cursing 
>>> starts. The worst thing about this deal, aside from the loss itself, is 
>>> that in order to re-create the folders, I'm going to have to go through 
>>> each and every item in all items each time I want to move things into a 
>>> folder. That is because when you move things into folders, they stay in all 
>>> items, just like what happens with Amazon Kindle. I love how iBooks does 
>>> it. Move that sucker out of books, and it's  really moved. So the next time 
>>> you go through your big fat books list in order to move things into another 
>>> folder, you do not have to see the  items you just moved previously.  I 
>>> actually do see the merit of an all items folder. I just wish there were 
>>> something equivalent to the iBooks "books" folder. After all, this is just 
>>> a matter of index pointers. It's not like they are actually having several 
>>> copies of each item.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mary,
>>>> I think you showed great restraint in only using one, minor, expletive, in 
>>>> your statement. I would be cussing up a blue streak, not on the list of 
>>>> course.
>>>> I cannot imagine the amount of work you lost with that many items.
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPod 6
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also got a reply from Winston, stating that the structure is lost and 
>>>>> cannot be brought back, but he is looking into the problem for a future 
>>>>> update. Damn!
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Winston has replied to say he is looking into the problem...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 Apr 2016, at 13:55, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just to make it clear, this problem happened after I did the iCloud 
>>>>>>> sink. When I updated to version four, all of my folders were there, 
>>>>>>> just as they should be. It's after I did  the iCloud sink that the 
>>>>>>> structure went away.
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>>> <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have not had that happen.
>>>>>>>> I had folders in a particular order on my Touch and when I updated my 
>>>>>>>> iPhone to version 4, the folders showed up there in the same order.
>>>>>>>> Of course, I have about 1/10th of the material you have. So I don't 
>>>>>>>> know if it is a space issue?
>>>>>>>> How much memory do you have in iCloud?
>>>>>>>> This sounds like a good question to send to Winston. You might want to 
>>>>>>>> use the contact through settings in Voice Dream.
>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPod 6
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I just did the iCloud sink for my large iPad library in voice dream 
>>>>>>>>> reader. Before doing the sink, I had checked to make sure that the 
>>>>>>>>> updating of my library had gone without a hitch, including keeping 
>>>>>>>>> the folder structure as it had previously been organized.
>>>>>>>>> Things look just the way they should have. On concluding the iCloud 
>>>>>>>>> sink however, while all of the items are there if the all items 
>>>>>>>>> filter is selected, if I filter by folder, the only filter that shows 
>>>>>>>>> up in the list is "no folder". In other words, my several folders 
>>>>>>>>> seem to be gone. This is somewhat daunting, given a library of close 
>>>>>>>>> to 1000 titles am I missing something here? I have double tap on the 
>>>>>>>>> no folder, thinking that perhaps if I do that, it will bring up the 
>>>>>>>>> list. No go. What am I missing? Has anyone else had their folder 
>>>>>>>>> structure disappear?
>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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