Hi Nicky,

My books are arranged just like yours, with a folder whose name is numbers 
containing the book and a metadata file. I have never used folders in Voice 
dream Reader. I thought that maybe putting some of those book folders into a 
folder in iCloud Drive might put them in analogous folders in Voice Dream 
Reader, but I don't know whether this would work.

Best,
Anna



> On Apr 2, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Nicola Sanders <nicola.sand...@telenet.be> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks, Anna, the idea of selecting everything in All Items and moving it all 
> into No Folder makes a lot of sense to me. Mary, I'm sure you're right, I'm 
> afraid it's unlikely that you'll see any further changes to your No Folder if 
> it's already been that way for several hours.
> 
> A slight correction to my earlier post: I have been sorting out my own 
> library and I have noticed that there were in fact three items which were 
> still not showing up in No Folder, so my statement that everything was there 
> was not quite accurate - my apologies! I was able to track the missing items 
> by filtering by My Sources.
> 
> Also, I can confirm that I can't change the sort order in No Folder, which is 
> stuck on New Date. I wonder if people who did not lose their folder structure 
> are able to change the sort order in No Folder?
> 
> I have looked at the Reader/Library folder in iCloud Drive on my PC. There 
> seems to be a folder for each item, containing a metadata file as well as the 
> actual file constituting the item. The folder names consist of strings of 
> numbers, so you don't know what the item is until you open its folder, which 
> I think would make editing rather tricky. Perhaps it works differently on the 
> Mac.
> 
> Nicky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Woody Anna Dresner
> Sent: 02 April 2016 22:46
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader iCloud sync lost my folders
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Would it make sense to move everything into No Folder, and then work from 
> there? then at least the number of items would decrease.
> 
> I also wonder whether the folders coincide with folders in your iCloud drive. 
> If you have a Mac, it might be easier to use it to move the books into 
> folders than to do it on the phone.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I remember that as well. You were only supposed to have it open and one 
>> device with iCloud sink happening. That was the case for me. My other device 
>> wasn't even turned on at the time. I just went and checked my no folder 
>> items again, and the number of those is still the same. It hasn't changed 
>> since last night. So, I would think that nothing is happening.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Nicola Sanders <nicola.sand...@telenet.be> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> No, I didn't leave Voice Dream in the foreground or keep my screen 
>>> unlocked. In the What's New file I noticed a reference to the app being in 
>>> the foreground during the sync process, but I understood it to mean that if 
>>> VDR WAS in the foreground, it should only be on one device, in order to 
>>> avoid conflicts.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Nicky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: 02 April 2016 18:50
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader iCloud sync lost my folders
>>> 
>>> Hi Nicky,
>>> Thanks for the idea about waiting on the no folder filter. I guess it can't 
>>> hurt. Did you leave the voice dream app in the foreground with the screen 
>>> unlocked? I had locked my screen and not left the app in the foreground. I 
>>> don't remember seeing anything in the what's new about having to do any of 
>>> those things once the sink process started.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Nicola Sanders <nicola.sand...@telenet.be> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't posted to this list in a very long time and so I lost my posting 
>>>> privileges, but Mark has kindly sorted things out for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Mary, you have my sympathies too. I also lost my folder structure, but I'm 
>>>> fortunate in that my library is much smaller than yours. I've made a start 
>>>> on recreating my folders, and in my case it's turning out to be easier 
>>>> than I expected: After the iCloud sync, at first not all my items were 
>>>> showing up in the No Folder filter, but when I came back to it later, they 
>>>> were all listed there. This meant that I could use the No Folder filter as 
>>>> my starting point, and the list got shorter each time I selected a group 
>>>> of items and moved them into a new folder. I believe you said that only a 
>>>> few items showed up in your No Folder list, but it might be worth checking 
>>>> it again, just in case it has rectified itself, as mine did.
>>>> 
>>>> Incidentally, I share your delight at getting your Ivona voices back, as I 
>>>> also lost my Ivona voices when I installed a full backup from my iPhone 5s 
>>>> onto my new 6S. I was finally able to sort it out a few weeks before the 
>>>> update, but I had to back up the library and reinstall the app from 
>>>> scratch.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck with the folders,
>>>> 
>>>> Nicky
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: 02 April 2016 17:29
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Voice dream reader iCloud sync lost my folders
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, richard, for the sympathy. Now I wonder if it is worth my time to 
>>>> re-create my folder structure until Winston has definitely found and fixed 
>>>> the bug. If you want to talk about cursing, if I redo this whole 
>>>> structure, and then lose it again when I sync up to iCloud, you are going 
>>>> to be able to hear me all the way up in Portland from here in Eugene when 
>>>> the cursing starts. The worst thing about this deal, aside from the loss 
>>>> itself, is that in order to re-create the folders, I'm going to have to go 
>>>> through each and every item in all items each time I want to move things 
>>>> into a folder. That is because when you move things into folders, they 
>>>> stay in all items, just like what happens with Amazon Kindle. I love how 
>>>> iBooks does it. Move that sucker out of books, and it's  really moved. So 
>>>> the next time you go through your big fat books list in order to move 
>>>> things into another folder, you do not have to see the  items you just 
>>>> moved previously.  I actually do see the merit of an all items folder. I 
>>>> just wish there were something equivalent to the iBooks "books" folder. 
>>>> After all, this is just a matter of index pointers. It's not like they are 
>>>> actually having several copies of each item.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary,
>>>>> I think you showed great restraint in only using one, minor, expletive, 
>>>>> in your statement. I would be cussing up a blue streak, not on the list 
>>>>> of course.
>>>>> I cannot imagine the amount of work you lost with that many items.
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPod 6
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also got a reply from Winston, stating that the structure is lost and 
>>>>>> cannot be brought back, but he is looking into the problem for a future 
>>>>>> update. Damn!
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Winston has replied to say he is looking into the problem...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2 Apr 2016, at 13:55, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just to make it clear, this problem happened after I did the iCloud 
>>>>>>>> sink. When I updated to version four, all of my folders were there, 
>>>>>>>> just as they should be. It's after I did  the iCloud sink that the 
>>>>>>>> structure went away.
>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>>>> <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have not had that happen.
>>>>>>>>> I had folders in a particular order on my Touch and when I updated my 
>>>>>>>>> iPhone to version 4, the folders showed up there in the same order.
>>>>>>>>> Of course, I have about 1/10th of the material you have. So I don't 
>>>>>>>>> know if it is a space issue?
>>>>>>>>> How much memory do you have in iCloud?
>>>>>>>>> This sounds like a good question to send to Winston. You might want 
>>>>>>>>> to use the contact through settings in Voice Dream.
>>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPod 6
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I just did the iCloud sink for my large iPad library in voice dream 
>>>>>>>>>> reader. Before doing the sink, I had checked to make sure that the 
>>>>>>>>>> updating of my library had gone without a hitch, including keeping 
>>>>>>>>>> the folder structure as it had previously been organized.
>>>>>>>>>> Things look just the way they should have. On concluding the iCloud 
>>>>>>>>>> sink however, while all of the items are there if the all items 
>>>>>>>>>> filter is selected, if I filter by folder, the only filter that 
>>>>>>>>>> shows up in the list is "no folder". In other words, my several 
>>>>>>>>>> folders seem to be gone. This is somewhat daunting, given a library 
>>>>>>>>>> of close to 1000 titles am I missing something here? I have double 
>>>>>>>>>> tap on the no folder, thinking that perhaps if I do that, it will 
>>>>>>>>>> bring up the list. No go. What am I missing? Has anyone else had 
>>>>>>>>>> their folder structure disappear?
>>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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