Hi Krister, I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O&M training but simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*. Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB reader Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the flaming i'll get. /Krister Skickat från min iPhone > 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>: > > But how will this affect the placement of the paper? > /Krister > > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net>: >> >> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, >> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. >> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it free >>> hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >>> Thanks for the info >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>> >>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: >>>> >>>> Krista, >>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the >>>> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try >>>> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting >>>> good results. >>>> >>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say >>>> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this >>>> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the >>>> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that >>>> it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do you >>>> have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with you. >>>> but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see what >>>> you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first >>>> started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for >>>> me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my >>>> case. >>>> >>>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>>> Sandy >>>> >>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>> >>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>>> <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i >>>>> do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked >>>>> on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i >>>>> rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using >>>>>> the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get >>>>>> some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view >>>>>> of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when >>>>>> the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said >>>>>> "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would >>>>>> cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as >>>>>> one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, >>>>>> within a day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch >>>>>> glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I >>>>>> have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see >>>>>> enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which >>>>>> helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight >>>>>> at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right >>>>>> ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. >>>>>> >>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a >>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special >>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of >>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one >>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him >>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get >>>>>> results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting >>>>>> on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >>>>>> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more >>>>>> accurate!!) >>>>>> >>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have >>>>>> achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could >>>>>> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be >>>>>> actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one >>>>>> can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sandy. >>>>>> >>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>>> <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had >>>>>>> very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader >>>>>>> and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether >>>>>>> we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a >>>>>>> young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 >>>>>>> years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use >>>>>>> apps with the camera. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>>> <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a >>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. >>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber >>>>>>>> but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed >>>>>>>> bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for >>>>>>>> me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases >>>>>>>> for translations. >>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's >>>>>>>> no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>Gordan Radić >>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>>> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org><email.png> >>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, >>>>>>>>> one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in >>>>>>>>> incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was >>>>>>>>> in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told >>>>>>>>> that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also >>>>>>>>> tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again >>>>>>>>> with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas >>>>>>>>> Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have >>>>>>>>> some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s >>>>>>>>> because I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page >>>>>>>>> perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get >>>>>>>>> better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, >>>>>>>>> Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll >>>>>>>>> know what document you’re holding. It requires an internet >>>>>>>>> connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store >>>>>>>>> and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t >>>>>>>>> offered a refund. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but >>>>>>>>>> the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment >>>>>>>>>> though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot >>>>>>>>>> and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, >>>>>>>>>> and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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