Hi all!
Thank you very much for your answers. Now I know more info about KNFB reader.
Olya
Sendt fra min iPhone
> Den 3. jul. 2016 kl. 05.37 skrev Pinky <pink...@abe.midco.net>:
>
> Hi Krister,
> Do you know where the camera lens is on your iPhone. The camera lens is at
> the top right of your iPhone. You need to have the lens in the middle of the
> paper before lifting it off the paper.
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Alan Lemly
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
>
> Krister and others,
>
> I'll add to Sieghard's already helpful instructions. Try getting a piece of
> paper you know is white with black text for scanning with Knfb reader. Place
> it on a table you know is dark in a room with good lighting. After you place
> the iPhone on top of the paper with the rear facing camera in the center of
> the page, slowly lift the phone to the height Sieghard suggested which is
> about 8 inches for me. Now place two fingers on the field of view button on
> the right side of the Knfb main screen. Gently lift one of those two fingers
> while leaving the other one in contact with the screen. The field of view
> picture should take using this split finger method with a bare minimum of
> phone movement. If your page has good contrast with its background and your
> lighting is good, I'm thinking you might get your first field of view report
> where all four corners are seen. You can use this same split finger method
> when taking the actual picture scan.
>
> Best of luck and please keep trying.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Krister,
>>
>> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this
>> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply
>> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding
>> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they
>> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks
>> are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High
>> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor
>> O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide
>> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O&M training but
>> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me
>> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and
>> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the
>> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback
>> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even
>> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of
>> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years
>> ago *smile*.
>> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it
>> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do
>> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB reader
>>
>> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't
>> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my
>> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say
>> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least
>> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to
>> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the
>> flaming i'll get.
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>
>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>:
>>>
>>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
>>> /Krister
>>>
>>>
>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>>
>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>
>>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight,
>>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture.
>>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it
>>>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
>>>>> Thanks for the info
>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Krista,
>>>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the
>>>>>> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try
>>>>>> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting
>>>>>> good results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say
>>>>>> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this
>>>>>> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the
>>>>>> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree
>>>>>> that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us
>>>>>> do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks
>>>>>> with you. but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can
>>>>>> see what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I
>>>>>> first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it
>>>>>> worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of
>>>>>> the box in my case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> feel free to ask for ideas,
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom
>>>>>>> <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv
>>>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell
>>>>>>> i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have
>>>>>>> asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so
>>>>>>> now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text.
>>>>>>> /Krister
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Gordon,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she
>>>>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using
>>>>>>>> the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did
>>>>>>>> get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good
>>>>>>>> over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or
>>>>>>>> rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest
>>>>>>>> and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then
>>>>>>>> announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would
>>>>>>>> never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the
>>>>>>>> adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the
>>>>>>>> app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my
>>>>>>>> pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in
>>>>>>>> those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was
>>>>>>>> roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the
>>>>>>>> last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used
>>>>>>>> to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am
>>>>>>>> within 5 percent of my earlier success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a
>>>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special
>>>>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of
>>>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one
>>>>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him
>>>>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to
>>>>>>>> get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him
>>>>>>>> putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened,
>>>>>>>> KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more
>>>>>>>> accurate!!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen
>>>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the
>>>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list,
>>>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could
>>>>>>>> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to
>>>>>>>> be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods
>>>>>>>> which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much
>>>>>>>> spacial awareness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my twopence worth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sandy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson
>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have
>>>>>>>>> had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with
>>>>>>>>> KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference
>>>>>>>>> is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see
>>>>>>>>> perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all
>>>>>>>>> for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me
>>>>>>>>> understand how to use apps with the camera.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić
>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>razbij...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind
>>>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a
>>>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me.
>>>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and
>>>>>>>>>> Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps.
>>>>>>>>>> Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial
>>>>>>>>>> results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and
>>>>>>>>>> now has in-app purchases for translations.
>>>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else
>>>>>>>>>> there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble
>>>>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>Gordan Radić
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>>>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably.
>>>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed
>>>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud,
>>>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document
>>>>>>>>>>> correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed
>>>>>>>>>>> on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side
>>>>>>>>>>> with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB
>>>>>>>>>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of
>>>>>>>>>>> garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also,
>>>>>>>>>>> but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning
>>>>>>>>>>> the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any
>>>>>>>>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though.
>>>>>>>>>>> For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough
>>>>>>>>>>> job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It
>>>>>>>>>>> requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free,
>>>>>>>>>>> ad-supported version.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store
>>>>>>>>>>> and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn’t offered a refund.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Grant
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the
>>>>>>>>>>>> investment though if people can show it's an effective app.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app
>>>>>>>>>>>> work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user
>>>>>>>>>>>> error. Thanks for your thoughts in advance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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