Hi, I think he means the flash. I was a bit confused as well. /Krister > 3 juli 2016 kl. 18:55 skrev 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone > <viphone@googlegroups.com>: > > Please could you explain why it is that you turn your camera off when you > want to read your LCD screen? Sorry, I really don't understand that one! > > > > Carol P > Sent from my iPhone using MBraille > > On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Fanus <buys.fa...@gmail.com > <mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hello Krister > If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and > about 21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help > you to get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other > thing is that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. > The only time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD > display of my pc. > Regards > Fanus > > > From: Krister Ekstrom <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: KNFB reader > > Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring > at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, > centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. > I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where > corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer > can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me > so that's where it stands. > /Krister > > Skickat från min iPhone > > > 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca > > <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>: > > > > Hi Krister, > > > > I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across > > this way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was > > simply responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list > > regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain > > what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and > > certain tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German > > Secondary High School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class > > had such poor O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 > > meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O&M > > training but simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it > > is hard for me to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, > > balance and special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect > > sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive > > gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an > > issue for me and even now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a > > fall somewhere. Of course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer > > than it did 20 years ago *smile*. > > Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it > > difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do > > it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you. > > > > > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On > > Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom > > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: Re: KNFB reader > > > > Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't > > understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my > > fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not > > say another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the > > least bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to > > understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the > > flaming i'll get. > > /Krister > > > > > > Skickat från min iPhone > > > >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com > >> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>>: > >> > >> But how will this affect the placement of the paper? > >> /Krister > >> > >> > >> Skickat från min iPhone > >> > >>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net > >>> <mailto:ann...@sbcglobal.net>>: > >>> > >>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, > >>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. > >>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: > >>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it > >>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. > >>>> Thanks for the info > >>>> /Krister > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > >>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>: > >>>>> > >>>>> Krista, > >>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't > >>>>> the same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to > >>>>> try again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of > >>>>> getting good results. > >>>>> > >>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to > >>>>> say that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on > >>>>> this subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using > >>>>> the camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not > >>>>> agree that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because > >>>>> many of us do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips > >>>>> and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having someone with > >>>>> you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get started. > >>>>> also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad > >>>>> before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just > >>>>> worked out of the box in my case. > >>>>> > >>>>> feel free to ask for ideas, > >>>>> Sandy > >>>>> > >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom > >>>>>> <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com > >>>>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>>kris...@kristersplace.com > >>>>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv > >>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the > >>>>>> hell i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I > >>>>>> have asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten > >>>>>> any so now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. > >>>>>> /Krister > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone > >>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>viphone@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Gordon, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she > >>>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using > >>>>>>> the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did > >>>>>>> get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good > >>>>>>> over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or > >>>>>>> rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its > >>>>>>> hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to > >>>>>>> then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I > >>>>>>> would never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of > >>>>>>> the adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on > >>>>>>> the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I > >>>>>>> swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly > >>>>>>> liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the > >>>>>>> targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but > >>>>>>> now, and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even > >>>>>>> light, which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for > >>>>>>> taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a > >>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special > >>>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of > >>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one > >>>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him > >>>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get > >>>>>>> results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting > >>>>>>> on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is > >>>>>>> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more > >>>>>>> accurate!!) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen > >>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the > >>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, > >>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I > >>>>>>> could give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be > >>>>>>> necessary to be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks > >>>>>>> a methods which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too > >>>>>>> much spacial awareness. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Just my twopence worth. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sandy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson > >>>>>>>> <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> <mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>>annefromo...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> <mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have > >>>>>>>> had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with > >>>>>>>> KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the > >>>>>>>> difference is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was > >>>>>>>> able to see perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen > >>>>>>>> nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This > >>>>>>>> helps me understand how to use apps with the camera. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Anne > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>> <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>>razbij...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>> <mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi! > >>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind > >>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a > >>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. > >>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and > >>>>>>>>> Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. > >>>>>>>>> Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial > >>>>>>>>> results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and > >>>>>>>>> now has in-app purchases for translations. > >>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else > >>>>>>>>> there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble > >>>>>>>>> opinion. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem > >>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>>Gordan Radić > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/ > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/>><nemoviz_animated.gif> > >>>>>>>>> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org>><email.png> > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz>><facebook.p ng> > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014 > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014>><twitter.png> > >>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. > >>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed > >>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, > >>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make > >>>>>>>>>> sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document > >>>>>>>>>> correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed > >>>>>>>>>> on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side > >>>>>>>>>> with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB > >>>>>>>>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of > >>>>>>>>>> garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, > >>>>>>>>>> but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning > >>>>>>>>>> the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any > >>>>>>>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. > >>>>>>>>>> For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable > >>>>>>>>>> enough job so at least you’ll know what document you’re > >>>>>>>>>> holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but there’s > >>>>>>>>>> a free, ad-supported version. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store > >>>>>>>>>> and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I > >>>>>>>>>> wasn’t offered a refund. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Grant > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe > >>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>>jsoro...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live > >>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but > >>>>>>>>>>> the price tag gives one pause. 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