Carol,
When taking a photo of the monitor, the flash needs to be off so you don’t get
the glare of the flash in the surface of the monitor. One way or the other, the
monitor is lit up and you don’t need a flash. Also, if you take a lot of
pictures of your monitor, you save a lot of battery on the phone.
Ron & Danvers
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
Okay, got it! I don't fully understand it, but that doesn't matter…
Carol P
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On 3 Jul 2016, at 22:51, Karl Smith <k...@axistech.net <mailto:k...@axistech.net>
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What they should have said is turn the flash off not the camera.
Karl
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From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
Please could you explain why it is that you turn your camera off when you want
to read your LCD screen? Sorry, I really don't understand that one!
Carol P
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On 3 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Fanus <buys.fa...@gmail.com <mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
Hello Krister
If I can help. An A4 page, such as an ordinary letter, is 29 cm long and about
21 cm wide. My Iphone 5S is about 13 centimeter long. We must just help you to
get going because it is such a good way of reading stuff. The other thing is
that I set the camera to always on, even in places with much light. The only
time I switch the camera off is when I take a picture of the LCD display of my
pc.
Regards
Fanus
From: Krister Ekstrom <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 12:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: KNFB reader
Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring
at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me,
centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything.
I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where
corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can
get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so
that's where it stands.
/Krister
Skickat från min iPhone
2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >:
Hi Krister,
I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this way I want
to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply responding to your statement
you didn't get any help on the list regarding this with examples of helpful posts where people
tried to explain what they do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain
tasks are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High School for the
Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor O&M skills that she would get
turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours
of O&M training but simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for
me to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and special awareness is
extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the first almost 17 years of my life and was a
competitive gymnast, horseback rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for
me and even now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of course when I
do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago *smile*.
Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it difficult
I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do it, simply
use a stand since that should do the trick for you.
Regards,
Sieghard
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Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: KNFB reader
Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't understand
the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my fault and i
will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say another word.
And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least bit ironic or
sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to understand your help and
i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the flaming i'll get.
/Krister
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2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com
<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> >:
But how will this affect the placement of the paper?
/Krister
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2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:ann...@sbcglobal.net> >:
Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, hold
the phone in your hand and take the picture.
At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it free
hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit.
Thanks for the info
/Krister
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2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
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Krista,
Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the same
as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try again
explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting good results.
Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say that I
know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this subject. so too
have others. I do know that for many people using the camera with the phone is
a difficult one. however, I could not agree that it is impossible for people
who don't see it all because many of us do you have success. I am sure we would
all share out tips and tricks with you. but, from personal experience, having
someone with you who can see what you are doing is a very good way to get
started. also, when I first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad
before it worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out
of the box in my case.
feel free to ask for ideas,
Sandy
sent from the dark side of the moon
On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom
<<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com
<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com> > wrote:
How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv reader. I
have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i do wrong vut
for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked on this list and on
Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely entirely on sighted help
for reading text.
/Krister
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2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
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Hi Gordon,
I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she and I who first championed
the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a
challenge, but we did get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of
what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype leading up to its
coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to
then announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it
as one more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a day or so
of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my
pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough
to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for
the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so useful in gaging
the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 percent of my earlier success.
I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a
sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special
effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of
myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one
to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him
mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get
results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting
on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is
faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more
accurate!!)
I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen before,
having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the camera, but this
isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have achieved equal results,
having never seen!
Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could give
them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be actually
present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one can follow and
which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness.
Just my twopence worth.
Sandy.
sent from the dark side of the moon
On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson
<<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com
<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had very
good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and I’m
totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we have good
spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a young child, and
although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 years, my visual memory is
good. This helps me understand how to use apps with the camera.
Cheers,
Anne
On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>razbij...@gmail.com
<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Hi!
Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind people
acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale to me.
I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber but those
were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader
just to get some partial results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber
went free and now has in-app purchases for translations.
Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's no
purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion.
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1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la:
Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. Occasionally,
when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, one or two partial
lines of text would be read aloud, generally in incomplete form. I sought
sighted assistance to make sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the
document correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on
the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two
documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly
whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some
trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because I have
difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think
there’s any question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader
though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job
so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an
internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported version.
I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and reported
that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t offered a refund.
Hope this helps,
Grant
On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe
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wrote:
Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live
Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but
the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment
though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot
and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me,
and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. Thanks for your thoughts
in advance.
Joe
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