So, anybody tried 9.3.5 yet? R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Clark" <jeffclark...@comcast.net> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:17 AM Subject: RE: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise
Hello everyone, What I do is take my thumb, cover the speaker at the bottom of the phone while dictating. This lowers the volume enough where it does not capture the voiceover. Jeff From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of englishride...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise I've had this happen as well, but not very often. I just turn off speech with a three-finger double-tap, do a two-finger double-tap to sttart dictation, do another two-finger double-tap to stop dictation, then do another three-finger double-tap to turn speech back on when this issue comes up. Like I said, it's not too offen, and it's easy enough to deal with, if a bit annoying. What I'm more troubled by is the reports on AppleVis about battery life being reduced with iOS 9.3.4, in some cases quite seriously. Thanks, Ari On Aug 24, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com <mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote: What usually happens to me in those instances is that the dictation sort of hangs. And then voiceover may start announcing random words, such as the last word I said or the last punctuation. And then I have to turn voiceover off, wait a couple of seconds, turn it back on, get rid of the junk and go on about my business. Sometimes the dictation hanging up lasts for a lot longer than just a couple of seconds. I have confirmed this on my two devices that are on iOS 9, as well as a friends iPhone 5s running iOS 9. So it isn't just me and my devices. Indeed, my friend is cited, and so voice over only got turned on for me to see if I could duplicate the problem on her phone. And it was easily done. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: I have sometimes come across situations where Voiceover started reading back what I dictated while I was still speaking. I just ignored it and it never seems to interfere with the accuracy of my dictation. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise Try using email from a share she say in Facebook or Safari. Or if you happen to use Newsify, try sharing an article from there. Dictate the message that you want to put in advance of your article. You will find the problem I guarantee it. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Jeremy Gilley <j_gil...@att.net <mailto:j_gil...@att.net> > wrote: Yeah, For someone who uses dictation a lot, I have never came across this problem. Guess I am just lucky that there is no bug in my version though I have the latest version. _____ From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 4:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise Interesting how not a single message about this issue was posted on this list. Dictation may not work in 9.3.4, but it definitely worked in previous iOS 9 versions since I used it all the time before installing iOS 10 beta so I’m not sure why the article says this was broken since the beginning in iOS 9. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise I thought many of you would be interested in the following article: Apple Confirms iOS 9.3.4 Has A Nasty Surprise The iPhone 7 is very close <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/11/iphone-7-release-date-leak/> and the all singing all dancing iOS 10 <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/06/14/apple-ios-10-vs-ios-9-whats-the-difference/> will come with it. But right now most iPhone, iPad and iPod touch users are on iOS 9.3.4 and Apple <http://www.forbes.com/companies/apple/> has confirmed to me it contains a nasty surprise that, for millions, will never be fixed… ‘Great Features’ and ‘Nasty Surprises’ are my regular columns investigating operating system updates for the best features / biggest problems hidden behind the headlines. The problem in iOS 9.3.4 is an incompatibility between VoiceOver and voice dictation which is hitting disabled and, in particular, blind users hard. In short: with VoiceOver <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ios/voiceover/> enabled (it describes everything on your screen with a triple press of the home button) voice dictation is broken producing duplicate and often muddled words - notably when quick replying to messages in the notification centre. <https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/tNmb5HQQgmr30BX4YWLxQQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NDgwO3E9NzU7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http:/blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2016/08/Screenshot-2016-08-24-at-13.53.06-1200x391.png.cf.jpg> iOS 9.3.4. Image credit: Apple Having been contacted by several blind users about this problem, they told me the only workaround is to turn off VoiceOver, turn on dictation, speak, turn off dictation then turn VoiceOver back on. This is about 10 steps and unfortunately for the blind, turning off VoiceOver is a very risky move yet voice dictation is essential. Perhaps the most interesting aspect to all of this, however, are claims this feature has been broken since the original launch of iOS 9 in September 2015 and Apple has not attempted to fixed it in any subsequent upgrade. In response I contacted Apple and the company confirmed to me the fault does exist in iOS 9.3.4, though it would not say if the bug could be traced back further. Apple also had good and bad news for affected users. <https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/Tu5mMjMZXtBODdvq_RO9Sw--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NDgwO3E9NzU7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http:/blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2016/08/Screenshot-2016-08-24-at-13.47.50-1200x656.png.cf.jpg> VoiceOver is iOS is crucial for disabled iPhone and iPad users, but it breaks voice dictation - an equally important feature for them. Image credit: Apple The good news is the bug will be fixed in iOS 10 (and is already fixed in the latest iOS 10 public beta). The bad news is there are no plans to fix the bug in iOS 9 and with iPhone 4S, iPad Mini, iPad 3rd gen and iPod touch 5th gen users not entitled to iOS 10 upgrades, users of those devices will be left with the bug until they buy something new. Needless to say this won’t be a problem for many users who upgrade regularly, but as one blind user told me: typically their need to have the latest cutting edge products is greatly diminished. Consequently if Apple can fix the bug in iOS 10, I’d argue the company should also fix it in iOS 9 before leaving a generation of devices and a subset of users stranded. This would be a commendable way to sign off an version of iOS well known for its high profile problems <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/05/20/apple-pulls-ios-9-3-2/> , before the company moves on to its latest and greatest iPhone and iOS plans... ___ Follow Gordon on <https://twitter.com/GordonKelly> Twitter, <https://www.facebook.com/GordonKelly> Facebook and <https://plus.google.com/+GordonKelly> Google+ More On Forbes Apple Leak Reveals Massive iPhone 7 Cancellation <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/20/apple-iphone-7-pro-cancellation/> iPhone 7 Release Date Leaked By Bloomberg <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/11/iphone-7-release-date-leak/> Apple Leak Reveals ‘All Glass’ New iPhone <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/09/apple-iphone-all-glass/> Apple iOS 9.3.4: Should You Upgrade? <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/08/apple-ios-9-3-4-should-you-upgrade/> iPhone 7 Problems Suddenly Make Perfect Sense <http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/25/iphone-7-problems-make-sense/> https://www.yahoo.com/ -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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