This depends a lot on how the phone was used. We're also talking about
charge cycles and not charges. A charge cycle is when you go through
100% of the battery usage. So for example, suppose you plug your iPhone
in one day to bring it from 80% to 100%, the next day  you do the same
thing to bring it from 70% to 100% and the 3rd day you bring it from 50%
to 100%. This would be one charge cycle, since 20% plus 30% plus 50%
equals 100%.

I've seen claims that LI batteries can get any where from 300 to 1000
charge cycles. Based on what I've read, I suspect 300 is rather
pessimistic, and you're probably talking around 500 to 600 cycles on
average.

LI batteries also start loosing their capacity once they're
manufactured. Again, I've seen anywhere from 10% to 20% a year. I think
10% is probably a bit closer to reality.

Bottom line is that it depends a lot on how a phone was used, what
temperature it was kept at and so on. I would think a phone that was
pretty heavily used would last for at least three years and four or five
years wouldn't be unreasonable for a phone that wasn't heavily used. I'm
talking about the battery of course.

On 12/09/12 11:19, Fred Olver wrote:
> Also be careful when buying an I-Phone 4, these things do have a battery
> life, and I recall reading somewhere it is between 400 and 500 charges.
> This means that if a person has a phone for say two years, the
> likelyhood of it's lasting for another two years is questionable I believe.
> 
> Fred Olver
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:47 AM
> Subject: RE: iPhone news
> 
> 
>> Yes, there will be a flood of unlocked iPhone 4 phones becoming
>> available as
>> people's 2-year contract expires and they are allegeable for the new
>> iPhone
>> as well as an official unlock from AT&T. However, keep in mind that an
>> unlocked iPhone 4 32 Gig will most likely be as expensive or very
>> close to
>> as expensive as a 32 Gig new iPhone 5. Somebody just posted an ad for an
>> iPhone 4 32 Gig in very good condition and they were asking $260. $299
>> will
>> get you a brand new iPhone 5 32 Gig with warranty so unless I had a very
>> good reason to need an unlocked phone I'd have little difficulties to
>> spend
>> $40 more and get the latest and greatest with warranty over something
>> without warranty that is 2 years old. His iPhone 4 maybe in mint
>> condition,
>> however, no battery will be in mind condition after 2 years and you also
>> will not get all of the new iOS 6 features with an iPhone 4, SIRI
>> alone is
>> worth it to get a new phone.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone news
>>
>> I don't think I understand the complaint here. If you are looking for
>> more
>> space and you are not interested in the other features, look for a gently
>> used iPhone 4 or 4S. You might even be able to get one from the
>> carrier, but
>> either way look around because you will find them out there. Hey contact
>> APple you never know they may have some refurbished units available,
>> although I have no idea if they sell referred iPhones or not.
>> Fact is you want to play you gotta pay.
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Miranda B. <knownofl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> As someone who has an 8GB iPhone 3GS and who plans to upgrade when the
>>> option on my contract is available soon, I'm personally frustrated
>>> that I'll probably end up needing to pay between $100-$200 just to get
>>> more memory essentially. I do realize that the newer phones have many
>>> newer and greater features, and this is great. But, it seems silly to
>>> me to upgrade to a newer phone that will have the same amount of room
>>> as my 3GS, when my only issue right now with my 3GS is my lack of
>>> storage
>> space.
>>> The problem for me is compounded by the fact that both my husband and
>>> I plan to upgrade, so whatever we pay is multiplied by two.
>>> Just my thoughts. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to bite the bullit.
>>> We're not planning to go any higher than 16GB at this point though,
>>> because we don't see ourselves needing more space than that.
>>>
>>> In Christ, Miranda
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Chris
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 5:33 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: iPhone news
>>>
>>> Apple to retire iPhone 3GS with low-end 8GB iPhone 4S debuting at next
>>> week's iPhone 5 event By Raymond Wong | BGR News - Thu, Sep 6, 2012
>>>
>>>
>>> We already know that next week's September 12th Apple (AAPL) event
>>> will bring the announcement of the iPhone 5, but rumor has it the 8GB
>>> iPhone 3GS will finally be retired. The Telegraph reports that sources
>>> close to retailers say Apple will replace the entry-level iPhone 3GS
>>> with the 8GB iPhone 4 and a new 8GB iPhone 4S to its lineup.
>>> Essentially, the 8GB iPhone 4 will be offered free on contract as the
>>> 3GS has been, and the 8GB iPhone 4S will become a new mid-point
>>> offering. Naturally, the new iPhone 5 will sit at the top of the totem
>>> pole and will come in capacities of 16GB , 32GB and 64GB. It can be
>>> argued that the 3GS has been a boon in emerging markets, especially
>>> because Apple will continue to support it in iOS 6, but we think it's
>>> time to let the three-year-old device go. After all, it is the only
>>> iPhone that still doesn't support Retina display apps.
>>>
>>> [Via MacRumors
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows laptop.
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