also, given the immensely short duration of time that Steve Jobs has been dead 
for, I am amazed that you can assert that Apple has slowed down already, and is 
less innovative.

It is highly likely that most things coming out of Apple at this time he was 
fully aware of and these products were well and truly into the pipe line.

I agree with the other poster, in ovation is always much quicker to occur when 
your at the beginning of a products revolutionary process. As it matures the 
natural speed of evolution slows.


On 15 Sep 2012, at 21:02, Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If other  platforms are moving faster it is only because they are far behind.
> As for innovations slowing down; as any technology  matures change will  
> naturally slow down.
> It can not do otherwise.
> Everything moves faster when starting from zero.
> This is truly basic stuff and I wonder why people keep acting shocked when  
> they encounter it.
> 
> At 03:18 PM 9/15/2012, you wrote:
>> I think that's what I was getting at: Going from the 4S to the 5 is not
>> going to be substantially different. There's a reason why I chose the
>> iPhone, but I don't think it unfair to say that Apple appears to be
>> innovating at a slower rate than when Jobs was in charge. That doesn't mean
>> that Cook is not innovative or that the iPhone is falling way behind. All
>> things considered though, I think other platforms are raising the bar at a
>> faster rate. Since we're relying on one major OS upgrade a year, I'd like to
>> see that upgrade pack a punch. Hardware-wise, I think they're doing what
>> they need to do to keep pace. The camera is more dynamic even if it stayed
>> at 8 MP. But, Do Not Disturb is nothing to be wowed by when other platforms
>> were doing this already. I'm fine with them going rogue on maps, but why fix
>> something that wasn't broken? The same is true of Youtube. Perhaps my
>> greater complaint is that Apple is attempting to pit itself against Google
>> when Google could in fact help iOS stay ahead of the curve. Anyway,
>> regardless, I am glad that accessibility is still built into the core, and
>> that is something that for me personally keeps the iPhone ahead of
>> everything else.--Joe
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Raul A. Gallegos
>> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:09 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: i5 Underwhelming
>> 
>> Did you all consider that some people might have NFC what NFC is? LOL, just
>> kidding. Every time I hear NFC, I don't think payment system. I think, "No
>> F.....g Clue".
>> 
>> Anyway, seriously though, I'm not going to belittle anyone who upgrades from
>> the 4S to the 5 because after all, it's still moving up the chain of new
>> devices. However for me personally, I can wait because with what I can get
>> out of the 4S, I can't justify a new phone just yet. Now, if I was coming
>> from the 3GS or the 4, then I would definitely be getting the 5.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> 
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>> On 9/14/2012 2:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> Well said, Allison. It seems that with every release of a new iPhone a
>>> certain group of people (and I don't necessarily mean just people on
>>> this list) complain and say it's disappointing etc. When the 4S came
>>> out it was the same, a lot of people were disappointed it wasn't
>>> called the iPhone 5 as if the name matters and so on. I actually think
>>> it would have been smart of Apple to just call it "the new iPhone",
>>> after all, a MacBook Pro or an iMac doesn't have a model number.
>>> Compared to a 4S the iPhone 5 is maybe not quite as big an update as
>>> the 4S was from the 4, but of course for the many people who are on a
>>> 4 or even 3GS it's huge and who says it has to be this incredible new
>>> innovation every year, it's not as if anybody's life and happiness
>>> depends on the fact that they buy a new iPhone every year; at least it
>>> shouldn't depend on that, if it does maybe you need to spend money on
>>> a shrink instead of a new iPhone. I heard a lot of disappointment that
>>> there is no NFC, but I think Apple may feel NFC it's just not the
>>> thing and they certainly don't adopt something if they don't believe
>>> in it or if they think the time isn't right.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Sieghard
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