Hi Mario and Pablo, Neither one of you are being discriminated on this group. This has nothing to do with race of any kind. Sieghard was just pointing out that all smart phones have their issues. He did not say Apple was the best. He was just trying to say that all software’s have glitches. As for Sieghard he is the first one to send an email to Apple support if he finds an issue. He also advises everyone else if they have an issue with Apple to contact tech support. That is all he meant by his email. I think one issue you guys do not understand is to just contact Apple when there is an issue and not to keep whining about it over and over and over on the list. It’s ok to mention it and see if anyone else is having the same issue. So get off your high horses and don’t be throwing out the race card.
Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mário Gabriel Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet Wow, Pablo. I make mine, your words. Some American people do not admit or like to hear the truth. They always discriminate the intelligence of those who are not American ... And that's why in the past you were discriminated and insulted in this group. I was here at that time and I heard all the bad things about you. I am also discriminated in this group, and this will never change. They always want to be right and do not admit that non-Americans have an opinion and are above them ... But I always say what I think, because I am free and I have my rights. If they treat me badly, I treat them badly. If they treat me well, I treat them well. cheers. Às 20:15 de 15/12/2016, Pablo C. Morales escreveu: Hi Sieghard I think that you haven’t read the whole threads in the last days. I said so because you are replying this email without knowledge of why I am posting this email. I recommend that you check about it in the last 2 days. Yes it is an IOs list, however it doesn’t mean that we cannot say that apple is doing a bad job regarding software updates, and specially fixing the problems that their software team are creating each IOs update. Mario is right when he says that apple has to be more responsible with their customers. I said something similar months ago, when I complained about the usability of our phones and the time that apple takes to fix bugs, and sometimes they just ignore the bugs and release new IOs, with more bugs. Obviously Sieghard your attitude shows a strong position in favor of apple, and you feel like ignoring what is wrong. Your attitude is no helping the blind community, your attitude defending apple when they are no fixing the bugs is going to fix apple in the future. Your attitude is hurting the accessibility and hurting apple too. You are defending a company that in the past had a very good attitude with the software and with the bugs unrepaired of software. You are defending them when they are no doing a good job. I posted those links, no talking about android or blackberry, those web pages are talking about the same point that we have been talking in the list these las 2 days. Bugs, and bad quality of software. The android developers are going to fix those problems? No, you know that they are not going to do it. Apple is going to fix this problems? Obviously they are no putting a lot of interest fixing these problems, they are more concern in the releases of new fancy IOs, than fixing the bugs of those new fancy releases. Who is going to fix these problems? We, their customers. We need to call, we need to write, we need to do a lot of noise because we are paying their checks with the products that we are buying. It is how market works. In the last emails I have said, several times that liking or not. Voiceover is the best choice for us. I am not saying that android accessibility is better, no I didn’t said that. Read those emails and you will see what is my position about it. I am not saying that Mario and many others are wrong, no. They are right, apple is no doing a good job with the software. But it doesn’t mean that I am saying that apple bs, as you said. I don’t use that vocabulary, I am not accustomed to do that. However, saying that apple is great, and keeping your attitude of just highlight the good things, are not going to improve the quality of apple software. Calling, writing, making noise is what is going to improve the software quality. I rather to write, to call, to make noise. I rather to complain to apple about their low quality. Because I am living in The United States where I have the right to complain about this kind of things when I paid for that. I am using my right. More over this right improves quality and it is what apple and customer’s needs. No just saying that whoever said something that you don’t like about apple, are wrong. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 10:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple has a serious problem with software quality | ZDNet Pablo and others, You can find bunches of articles on anything on Google. I could send you 50 links of articles which praise Apple and iOS to high heaven, then I can send you just as many that are the complete opposite and the same applies to Google/Android. I can probably even find you some die-hard Blackberry fans who are posting that Blackberry is the best ever and both iOS and Android are complete BS. I don't think we have to get into what is better or if iOS is any good or anything like that. The point is that this is an iOS list, we are all here because we use iOS devices due to their very good level of accessibility. We all know there are bugs and that there always will be bugs. We all know that Apple with iOS, Mac OS, TVOS and Watch OS don't have an exclusive on them, Android has them, Windows has them, Google Chrome has them and other software like Jaws, Office, Adobe, Firefox they all have bugs as do all apps. This list is and should be about helping each other, answering each others questions and posting articles about some particularly cool app or accessory. The list is also about posting about bugs you discover or think you have discovered, sure you can point out your thoughts that Apple should do more or that Apple really should have fixed this or that bug already or during the Beta cycle, but I think these rants which then result in endless one-liners about how somebody is right or wrong or should go and get an Android phone if they aren't happy with the iPhone are just getting old, they usually just rephrase what has already been said a dozen times over. As you know very well yourself Android isn't all it's made out to be and while you say you totally would have an Android phone if you could see there are also thousands of ex-Android users who can see and who love their new iPhones after making the switch. Then of course there are those "happy" Android users who bought Samsung's new flagship Note 7 only to be surprised when the smoke hit the fan, if this had happened to the iPhone 7 Apple would have been crucified and in a much worse way than Samsung. Headlines like your ssubject "Apple has a serious problem with software quality" are typical link bait, you can go on Google and find lots of examples for either one, here is just one example that swings the other way from Forbes: "New Android Malware Strikes At Millions Of Smartphones". Sometimes you even find something that is more objective like the summary of this comparison article: iOS 10 vs Android 7.0 Nougat: Conclusion. In many respects, Android and iOS are very similar. They're both slick, refined, competent mobile operating systems. Each has its advantages and unique features, as well as frustrations and weaknesses. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo C. 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