Hello David, I definitely appreciate your comments and suggestions. I think FS has done a great job designing the Focus. It's just the new key mapping that has been the game changer for me.
You suggested using the right rocker bar to pan up and down by line. This is how both rocker bars used to work in iOS. However, with this new update, the left rocker bar does a three finger flick up or down, and the right rocker bar does a three finger swipe left and right. There are also two panning buttons, but they pan by display length and not by line. Depending on what you're trying to do, this is a very tedious alternative. So as of now, with my whiz wheels flying all over the place, and with the whiz wheels tied to the rotor on top of that, iOS navigation with the Focus has become clunky. On another note to Annie, I don't personally use reverse panning, but would love to see it implemented for those who do. Maybe it could be a setting under the Braille support section of the VO control panel. We all have different reading styles, and I think they should be supported, whenever possible. Cheryl Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:16 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > What I meant to say in my last message was, I agree, but it is a poor design > of the braille display, not of iOS. All the screen-readers take advantage of > the arrow keys / arrow pointer sticks / arrow buttons that almost every other > braille display keyboard combo has, including FS's old PACMate. FS really has > no excuse for such a poor design choice that requires special coding to work > around, especially considering the Focus Blue is a relatively new braille > display. > > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 20/09/2012, at 21:19, Cheryl Lenartiene <dash...@loveable.com> wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> You bring up a valid concern that I started to have as I kept playing with >> the whiz wheels last night. I found that if I moved them a hair's breadth, I >> could mostly move down one line, but this would not work if I moved down one >> full click. >> >> Unfortunately, I use programs at work that work with braille but not at all >> with speech, so even though I have a PMA, having my unit serviced is nod an >> option. I was planning to wait until I went on vacation to have it cleaned >> to at least minimize the work downtime a bit. So if it really is failing, >> unfortunately, it will have to wait for now. >> >> Still, none of this changes the fact that we no longer have dedicated >> functions to move up and down by line. Having to go into the rotor to affect >> a navigation key's function is a bad design, in my opinion. >> >> Cheryl >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 20, 2012, at 4:25 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I hope your thumb wheels are not going bad. What you describe is what my >>> old PACMate thumb wheels did as they were failing. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 20/09/2012, at 14:50, "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Very good points, Cheryl; I'll just leave things as they are then. >>>> >>>> Darla & Precious Roxy >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Cheryl Lenartiene >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:37 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>> >>>> Hi Annie, >>>> >>>> I understand. Here is an example of why I say the new key assignments are >>>> unusable. I was in TweetList trying to read down my tweets. I pushed the >>>> right whiz wheel down once, not to scroll, but just to try to move one >>>> line. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, it would stay on the same line. Sometimes, it would jump up to >>>> the prior line or further. Sometimes, it would jump down a couple of >>>> lines. >>>> And here's the clencher: Once, rolling the Whiz wheel down landed me smack >>>> in the status bar at the very top of the screen. Only once, out of my 10 to >>>> 15 attempts to move downward, did I successfully move down a single line. >>>> >>>> I've had this happen more than once when trying to navigate through folders >>>> on my homescreen, including mysteriously landing in the status bar, as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> That's why I say, these key assignments are unuseable. It should not take >>>> 15 >>>> attempts to move down one line. It's ridiculous. >>>> >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Annie Skov Nielsen >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:27 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> I agree with you. To me it is unuseble too. I will really get problems to >>>> go >>>> to the next display line with my focus display. The only bottun that can go >>>> to the next line is the button in the wright end, and that will course >>>> problems with my hand, if I will have to use that button all the time. >>>> >>>> >>>> What really worked with the focus display, is for me totally broken. >>>> >>>> Best regards Annie. >>>> >>>> >>>> Den Sep 20, 2012 kl. 12:08 AM skrev "Cheryl Lenartiene" >>>> <dash...@loveable.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>>> >>>>> Thanksfor this. The key assignments were very helpful. I'm not saying >>>>> the new key assignments won't work for everyone. I'm just saying that >>>>> they don't work for me. I am literally unable to move up and down by >>>>> line and have to pan left and right by display width to navigate. When >>>>> I need to scroll through something quickly, this is not a practical >>>>> way to do it. So, for me, it really is unusable. I'm not flying off >>>>> the handle, I'm not being irrational; I'm not even afraid of something >>>>> new. It really, truly doesn't work for me because of the way VoiceOver >>>>> behaves. >>>>> >>>>> Cheryl >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jonathan Mosen >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:57 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: RE: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>>> >>>>> Apple has changed the key assignments for the Focus products in iOS6. >>>>> The best thing to do until an FSCast comes out on this, is to press >>>>> K-cord to invoke keyboard help, then press the keys to understand what >>>> they now do. >>>>> >>>>> People can of course offer feedback to Apple on the new assignments, >>>>> but to say it's unusable is I think a bit of a stretch. It's just >>>>> different. Some people will find it better, others not, but it is >>>>> still very much useable. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a summary that may assist. >>>>> >>>>> Router Row Double tap the selected item. >>>>> Status Router Row Toggle expanded status description. >>>>> Left Nav Rocker/Whiz-wheel Up Move to previous item using rotor setting. >>>>> Left Nav Rocker/Whiz wheel Down Move to next item using rotor setting. >>>>> Left Mode Button/press whiz wheel Select item under your finger. >>>>> Right Nav Rocker/whiz wheel Up Move to previous item. >>>>> Right Nav Rocker/whiz wheel Down Move to next item. >>>>> Right Mode Button/press whiz wheel Select item under your finger. >>>>> Left Panning Pan braille to the left. >>>>> Right Panning Pan braille to the right. >>>>> Left Selector Activates a Back button if present. >>>>> Right Selector Start/Stop Toggle >>>>> Left Rocker Up Scroll up one page. >>>>> Left Rocker Down Scroll down one page. >>>>> Right Rocker Up Scroll left one page. >>>>> Right Rocker Down Scroll right one page. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>> Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 9:44 a.m. >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I don't like the new key assignments for the Focus 40 Blue in iOS6 either. >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> have the Classic, and I don't like having to use the Whiz Wheels to >>>>> pan by line, because the rocker bars now swipe instead. VoiceOver >>>>> jumps all over the place when I try to navigate using Whiz Wheels on >>>>> my iPhone 4. If I move up or down one click, VoiceOver focus will jump >>>>> back and forth over a span of four or five lines, and after a few >>>>> seconds, may eventually land where it is supposed to. >>>>> >>>>> Although I can appreciate the thought and hard work that went into >>>>> this update, the unintended consequences, for me at least, are that >>>>> Braille is virtually unuseable on my phone. At the very least, it's not >>>> practical. >>>>> So, >>>>> I plan to downgrade back to iOS5.1.1, if I can figure out where to get it. >>>>> >>>>> Cheryl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Annie Skov Nielsen >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:20 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> >>>>> You can not change whiz wheels behaviour in IOS as far as I know. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards Annie. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards Annie. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Den Sep 19, 2012 kl. 10:10 PM skrev Scott Davert >>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anney. >>>>>> Have you made sure that your wizwheels didn't get changed by accident? >>>>>> You know that if you press streight down on them, this will toggle >>>>>> how they navigate, right? I used a focus 40 blue with wizwheels in an >>>>>> earlier beta version, and did not have this issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/19/12, Annie Skov Nielsen <annieskovniel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>> It is not possible anymore to go to the next line with your left >>>>>>> hand in IOS 6. Apple has changed the behaviours of the wheels in >>>>>>> focus 40 blue, and in the new version the bottuns, so that you will >>>>>>> now go to the next item chosen in the router whith the wheel in the left >>>> side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it is a major problem for us who are reading with the wright hand >>>>>>> and like to go to the next display with the left hand. 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