Mark.
That's correct. ON the newest models of the Focus displays, there are
no longer wizwheels.

Scott

On 9/20/12, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> Hi Annie,
>
> I think it is a great suggestion.
>
> Please submit it to Apple, OK? as will I.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Annie Skov Nielsen
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6.
>
> Hi.
>
> Might a suggestion for apple be that braille panning, should be a
> possibility in the router, when we wright handed readers could set the
> router on braille paning, when we will have to read through text, it is not
> the best solution, but it might maybe work.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> Den Sep 20, 2012 kl. 10:25 AM skrev David Chittenden
> <dchitten...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I hope your thumb wheels are not going bad. What you describe is what my
> old PACMate thumb wheels did as they were failing.
>>
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 20/09/2012, at 14:50, "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Very good points, Cheryl; I'll just leave things as they are then.
>>>
>>> Darla & Precious Roxy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:37 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6.
>>>
>>> Hi Annie,
>>>
>>> I understand. Here is an example of why I say the new key assignments
>>> are unusable. I was in TweetList trying to read down my tweets. I
>>> pushed the right whiz wheel down once, not to scroll, but just to try to
> move one line.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, it would stay on the same line. Sometimes, it would jump
>>> up to the prior line or further. Sometimes, it would jump down a couple
> of lines.
>>> And here's the clencher: Once, rolling the Whiz wheel down landed me
>>> smack in the status bar at the very top of the screen. Only once, out
>>> of my 10 to
>>> 15 attempts to move downward, did I successfully move down a single
>>> line.
>>>
>>> I've had this happen more than once when trying to navigate through
>>> folders on my homescreen, including mysteriously landing in the status
> bar, as well.
>>>
>>> That's why I say, these key assignments are unuseable. It should not
>>> take 15 attempts to move down one line. It's ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Annie Skov Nielsen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:27 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6.
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I agree with you. To me it is unuseble too. I will really get
>>> problems to go to the next display line with my focus display. The
>>> only bottun that can go to the next line is the button in the wright
>>> end, and that will course problems with my hand, if I will have to use
> that button all the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> What really worked with the focus display, is for me totally broken.
>>>
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>
>>>
>>> Den Sep 20, 2012 kl. 12:08 AM skrev "Cheryl Lenartiene"
>>> <dash...@loveable.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>> Thanksfor this. The key assignments were very helpful. I'm not
>>>> saying the new key assignments won't work for everyone. I'm just
>>>> saying that they don't work for me. I am literally unable to move up
>>>> and down by line and have to pan left and right by display width to
>>>> navigate. When I need to scroll through something quickly, this is
>>>> not a practical way to do it. So, for me, it really is unusable. I'm
>>>> not flying off the handle, I'm not being irrational; I'm not even
>>>> afraid of something new. It really, truly doesn't work for me
>>>> because of the way VoiceOver behaves.
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jonathan Mosen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:57 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Focus 40 blue in ios 6.
>>>>
>>>> Apple has changed the key assignments for the Focus products in iOS6.
>>>> The best thing to do until an FSCast comes out on this, is to press
>>>> K-cord to invoke keyboard help, then press the keys to understand
>>>> what
>>> they now do.
>>>>
>>>> People can of course offer feedback to Apple on the new assignments,
>>>> but to say it's unusable is I think a bit of a stretch. It's just
>>>> different. Some people will find it better, others not, but it is
>>>> still very much useable.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a summary that may assist.
>>>>
>>>> Router Row Double tap the selected item.
>>>> Status Router Row Toggle expanded status description.
>>>> Left Nav Rocker/Whiz-wheel Up Move to previous item using rotor
>>>> setting.
>>>> Left Nav Rocker/Whiz wheel Down Move to next item using rotor setting.
>>>> Left Mode Button/press whiz wheel Select item under your finger.
>>>> Right Nav Rocker/whiz wheel Up Move to previous item.
>>>> Right Nav Rocker/whiz wheel Down Move to next item.
>>>> Right Mode Button/press whiz wheel Select item under your finger.
>>>> Left Panning Pan braille to the left.
>>>> Right Panning Pan braille to the right.
>>>> Left Selector Activates a Back button if present.
>>>> Right Selector Start/Stop Toggle
>>>> Left Rocker Up Scroll up one page.
>>>> Left Rocker Down Scroll down one page.
>>>> Right Rocker Up Scroll left one page.
>>>> Right Rocker Down Scroll right one page.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 9:44 a.m.
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6.
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the new key assignments for the Focus 40 Blue in iOS6
> either.
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> have the Classic, and I don't like having to use the Whiz Wheels to
>>>> pan by line, because the rocker bars now swipe instead. VoiceOver
>>>> jumps all over the place when I try to navigate using Whiz Wheels on
>>>> my iPhone 4. If I move up or down one click, VoiceOver focus will
>>>> jump back and forth over a span of four or five lines, and after a
>>>> few seconds, may eventually land where it is supposed to.
>>>>
>>>> Although I can appreciate the thought and hard work that went into
>>>> this update, the unintended consequences, for me at least, are that
>>>> Braille is virtually unuseable on my phone. At the very least, it's
>>>> not
>>> practical.
>>>> So,
>>>> I plan to downgrade back to iOS5.1.1, if I can figure out where to get
> it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheryl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Annie Skov Nielsen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:20 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6.
>>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> You can not change whiz wheels behaviour in IOS as far as I know.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards Annie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den Sep 19, 2012 kl. 10:10 PM skrev Scott Davert
>>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anney.
>>>>> Have you made sure that your wizwheels didn't get changed by accident?
>>>>> You know that if you press streight down on them, this will toggle
>>>>> how they navigate, right? I used a focus 40 blue with wizwheels in
>>>>> an earlier beta version, and did not have this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/12, Annie Skov Nielsen <annieskovniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>> It is not possible anymore to go to the next line with your left
>>>>>> hand in IOS 6. Apple has changed the behaviours of the wheels in
>>>>>> focus 40 blue, and in the new version the bottuns, so that you
>>>>>> will now go to the next item chosen in the router whith the wheel
>>>>>> in the left
>>> side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is a major problem for us who are reading with the wright hand
>>>>>> and like to go to the next display with the left hand. Now you
>>>>>> will have to read and go to the next line with your wright hand,
>>>>>> it will waste much time when reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anybody a work around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards Annie.
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