Mark. That's correct. ON the newest models of the Focus displays, there are no longer wizwheels.
Scott On 9/20/12, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > Hi Annie, > > I think it is a great suggestion. > > Please submit it to Apple, OK? as will I. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Annie Skov Nielsen > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 2:31 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. > > Hi. > > Might a suggestion for apple be that braille panning, should be a > possibility in the router, when we wright handed readers could set the > router on braille paning, when we will have to read through text, it is not > the best solution, but it might maybe work. > > Best regards Annie. > Den Sep 20, 2012 kl. 10:25 AM skrev David Chittenden > <dchitten...@gmail.com>: > >> I hope your thumb wheels are not going bad. What you describe is what my > old PACMate thumb wheels did as they were failing. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 20/09/2012, at 14:50, "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Very good points, Cheryl; I'll just leave things as they are then. >>> >>> Darla & Precious Roxy >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:37 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>> >>> Hi Annie, >>> >>> I understand. Here is an example of why I say the new key assignments >>> are unusable. I was in TweetList trying to read down my tweets. I >>> pushed the right whiz wheel down once, not to scroll, but just to try to > move one line. >>> >>> Sometimes, it would stay on the same line. Sometimes, it would jump >>> up to the prior line or further. Sometimes, it would jump down a couple > of lines. >>> And here's the clencher: Once, rolling the Whiz wheel down landed me >>> smack in the status bar at the very top of the screen. Only once, out >>> of my 10 to >>> 15 attempts to move downward, did I successfully move down a single >>> line. >>> >>> I've had this happen more than once when trying to navigate through >>> folders on my homescreen, including mysteriously landing in the status > bar, as well. >>> >>> That's why I say, these key assignments are unuseable. It should not >>> take 15 attempts to move down one line. It's ridiculous. >>> >>> Cheryl >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Annie Skov Nielsen >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 6:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I agree with you. To me it is unuseble too. I will really get >>> problems to go to the next display line with my focus display. The >>> only bottun that can go to the next line is the button in the wright >>> end, and that will course problems with my hand, if I will have to use > that button all the time. >>> >>> >>> What really worked with the focus display, is for me totally broken. >>> >>> Best regards Annie. >>> >>> >>> Den Sep 20, 2012 kl. 12:08 AM skrev "Cheryl Lenartiene" >>> <dash...@loveable.com>: >>> >>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>> >>>> Thanksfor this. The key assignments were very helpful. I'm not >>>> saying the new key assignments won't work for everyone. I'm just >>>> saying that they don't work for me. I am literally unable to move up >>>> and down by line and have to pan left and right by display width to >>>> navigate. When I need to scroll through something quickly, this is >>>> not a practical way to do it. So, for me, it really is unusable. I'm >>>> not flying off the handle, I'm not being irrational; I'm not even >>>> afraid of something new. It really, truly doesn't work for me >>>> because of the way VoiceOver behaves. >>>> >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jonathan Mosen >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 5:57 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>> >>>> Apple has changed the key assignments for the Focus products in iOS6. >>>> The best thing to do until an FSCast comes out on this, is to press >>>> K-cord to invoke keyboard help, then press the keys to understand >>>> what >>> they now do. >>>> >>>> People can of course offer feedback to Apple on the new assignments, >>>> but to say it's unusable is I think a bit of a stretch. It's just >>>> different. Some people will find it better, others not, but it is >>>> still very much useable. >>>> >>>> Here's a summary that may assist. >>>> >>>> Router Row Double tap the selected item. >>>> Status Router Row Toggle expanded status description. >>>> Left Nav Rocker/Whiz-wheel Up Move to previous item using rotor >>>> setting. >>>> Left Nav Rocker/Whiz wheel Down Move to next item using rotor setting. >>>> Left Mode Button/press whiz wheel Select item under your finger. >>>> Right Nav Rocker/whiz wheel Up Move to previous item. >>>> Right Nav Rocker/whiz wheel Down Move to next item. >>>> Right Mode Button/press whiz wheel Select item under your finger. >>>> Left Panning Pan braille to the left. >>>> Right Panning Pan braille to the right. >>>> Left Selector Activates a Back button if present. >>>> Right Selector Start/Stop Toggle >>>> Left Rocker Up Scroll up one page. >>>> Left Rocker Down Scroll down one page. >>>> Right Rocker Up Scroll left one page. >>>> Right Rocker Down Scroll right one page. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene >>>> Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012 9:44 a.m. >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't like the new key assignments for the Focus 40 Blue in iOS6 > either. >>> >>>> I >>>> have the Classic, and I don't like having to use the Whiz Wheels to >>>> pan by line, because the rocker bars now swipe instead. VoiceOver >>>> jumps all over the place when I try to navigate using Whiz Wheels on >>>> my iPhone 4. If I move up or down one click, VoiceOver focus will >>>> jump back and forth over a span of four or five lines, and after a >>>> few seconds, may eventually land where it is supposed to. >>>> >>>> Although I can appreciate the thought and hard work that went into >>>> this update, the unintended consequences, for me at least, are that >>>> Braille is virtually unuseable on my phone. At the very least, it's >>>> not >>> practical. >>>> So, >>>> I plan to downgrade back to iOS5.1.1, if I can figure out where to get > it. >>>> >>>> Cheryl >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Annie Skov Nielsen >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:20 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Focus 40 blue in ios 6. >>>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> You can not change whiz wheels behaviour in IOS as far as I know. >>>> >>>> Best regards Annie. >>>> >>>> Best regards Annie. >>>> >>>> >>>> Den Sep 19, 2012 kl. 10:10 PM skrev Scott Davert >>>> <scottslistm...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anney. >>>>> Have you made sure that your wizwheels didn't get changed by accident? >>>>> You know that if you press streight down on them, this will toggle >>>>> how they navigate, right? I used a focus 40 blue with wizwheels in >>>>> an earlier beta version, and did not have this issue. >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> On 9/19/12, Annie Skov Nielsen <annieskovniel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> It is not possible anymore to go to the next line with your left >>>>>> hand in IOS 6. Apple has changed the behaviours of the wheels in >>>>>> focus 40 blue, and in the new version the bottuns, so that you >>>>>> will now go to the next item chosen in the router whith the wheel >>>>>> in the left >>> side. >>>>>> >>>>>> it is a major problem for us who are reading with the wright hand >>>>>> and like to go to the next display with the left hand. 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