Hi Wayne,

I think you are comparing Apple and Oranges if you compare an Echo Dot and the 
new Sonos 1. First of all, if you are in a country where Alexa isn't offered 
you still won't automatically get it by buying a Sonos 1. I guess here in 
Canada you can make Alexa work, but it's always been my opinion that if Amazon 
can't be bothered to make Alexa available officially then I'm not going to jump 
through all sorts of hoops to get it.
As for the price comparison, the Sonos 1 especially if you buy a set and put 
them in stereo mode is a very different animal with respect to sound quality. 
Maybe you also have some sort of higher quality stereo or set of speakers or 
bluetooth speaker for enjoying music and this is really where the Sonos 1 comes 
in. Anyhow, if you want to put music through out your house Sonos is still one 
of the best options and as I said, you also get fully accessible access to 
things like Tune In, iHeart Radio, Spotify, Deezer, Sirius XM and many more, I 
believe Sonos supports 44 services in total both paid and free. If the Sonos 1 
also has Airplay 2 built in it's very much a game-changer for iOS users since 
you only need one Airplay enabled device to allow your entire Sonos system to 
access it. For me this would mean I can take my Connect Amp and use it at my 
retail store and replace it with a Sonos 1 and I can also get rid of my setup 
where I use an Airport Express connected to the Connect Amp so I can Airplay to 
my Sonos system.
If all you want is an inexpensive voice assistant speaker and you don't care 
too much about sound quality then the Echo Dot is certainly the way to go, but 
even if Amazon made the Echo available here in Canada I believe it's much 
better to buy a Sonos 1 instead because it will eventually give you access to 
both Alexa and Google Assistant. I wouldn't be surprised if Cortana follows 
soon as well and then you have 3 of the 4 major voice assistants in one device.
Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 9:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Amazon, Siri, Facebook, Google: How to turn off listening devices

I have an Echo Dot at home, but don't use Siri very much. I do use Siri, but 
not constantly like I know some do. So for me, I have the Hey Siri feature 
turned off. It's not ahuge deal since I can hold the Home button osummon Siri 
if I need to. For the Echo Dot, though it is always listening, that does not 
bother me too much. However, it does have a mute button to stop it from 
listening, so that's good. It really hasn't been triggered too much by thinking 
it has heard the magic word. A few times, but not a ton. I understand how the 
Sonos devices getting Alexa would be a game changer for those not in countries 
supported by Alexa. However, for me it comes down to price; I can get an Echo 
Dot for $49, verses the $199 that Sonos charge for their new device.

Wayne

On 10/5/17, deidre muccio <deim...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I notice that Tune In Radio is now giving me a morning greeting and a 
> button that I must hit on to open the app. Otherwise it will not close 
> out since the app is not open. Facebook has been doing this too. It drives me 
> crazy.
>       As far as listening goes, I unloaded the Facebook app so I could get 
> back to the place where I tell it not to allow access to the 
> microphone - I don't do any video on my phone. No data is lost this 
> way and it clears out other stuff not needed so if you look at storage 
> usage it shrinks after doing this.
>        I'm not concerned who sees or hears what I am up to, but having the 
> phone in use behind the scenes offends my sensibility. I also notice 
> that if I do leave my phone on through the night, even though it might 
> be near fully charged, and it is set to lock every minute, the battery 
> is still drained quite a bit by morning. What is using up the battery? 
> I think I noticed that some apps have remained open  so perhaps even 
> though the phone is locked particular apps don't really treat them as not in 
> use.
> I've started to shut my phone down at night, hell with needing easy 
> access to 911.
>       Also, I realize that magazines and facebook provide news and 
> platforms for free, if one chooses not to subscribe, but the onslaught 
> of ads is making some of these platforms nearly unusable. I've never 
> had so many ads popping up when on facebook as I have in the last 3 or 
> so months. I wish there was an alternative platform. Either that or 
> voice over is not able to keep up with the ads and I see no way to not load 
> graphics on the phone.
>       Am I in the dark here?
>
>       Deidre
>
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