Yes it does.  Believe me, all the little factoids I gathered from this list 
also helped.  

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2020 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: unlocking a locked iPhone

That is great news.
Persistance pays off.
Later,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:15 PM, kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Finally, I write with a happy end to my unlocking a locked Iphone saga.  
> After the second try at filling out the online form for at&t, they did unlock 
> the phone.  Apple verified the phone was unlocked.  Yet, Verizon insisted it 
> was still locked.  After hearing my story, David at the apple accessibility 
> desk asked the question which turned out to be the key to the solution.  He 
> asked if I had updated the drivers on the Iphone.  Of course I had not, that 
> thought was lite years from my mind!!!  I downloaded the latest itunes for 
> windows 7 and went as far as I could before encountering a password error.  
> Yesterday, Patrick from the apple accessibility desk remoted in to my 
> computer, cuz jaws was not reading everything that I needed, got me well on 
> my way to restoring the phone in itunes.  Unfortunately, at some point in the 
> process, my computer locked up.  Patrick had  tried to call back, but my 
> friend had her phone on "do not disturb" and didn't realize it.  Finally, 
> when I was emotionally spent and mentally exhausted, I turned my phone over 
> to the genius bar and begged them to put me out of my misery once and for 
> all!! They did not disappoint!! Sometimes, it really does take a village to 
> get an Iphone that comes from a different carrier than the one u r using, to 
> work as it should.  To that end, I sincerely thank you, the apple 
> accessibility team, and the local apple genius, who admitted he had never 
> worked with voiceover till he saw my phone, for making this used SE work as I 
> had been lead to believe it would by the seller.  A couple of the access 
> techs said they often encounter situations similar to mine as the phone 
> carriers really don't deal with the workings of the Iphones.  
> 
> In conclusion, my takeaways, which I hope will benefit others who find 
> themselves in similar situations are:
> 1.  The IMEI number is invaluable.  With that number alone, Apple 
> Accessibility can tell you whether the device you are considering purchasing 
> is locked or unlocked.  And, if it is locked, they can tell you what carrier 
> has it locked.  The IMEI number is located in the "about section of the 
> general menu in settings.
> 2.  Apple can not unlock a phone that is locked by a carrier such as AT&T.  
> While you might find an online form to request an unlock, the carrier in 
> question may deny the request, especially if there is a balance due on the 
> account, stolen phone, etc.  So, use that IMEI number to get the unvarnished 
> truth from Apple before you waste your hard earned money.  If Apple says it's 
> locked, insist that the seller take care of unlocking it.  
> 3.  If you feel your carrier is giving you mixed messages such as telling you 
> your phone is locked, when you have verified that it's not,  or in some other 
> way trying to sell you one of their specific phones, consult the Apple 
> Accessibility desk for troubleshooting assistance before allowing yourself to 
> be talked in to buying something you may not need or want.  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked iPhone
> 
> Yes, you have to remove the case.
> On the right side of the phone a little more than two inches from the bottom, 
> there is a tiny pinhole, the end of a bent paperclip works to push in until 
> the SIM card drawer sticks out.
> Be very careful to get the sim card inserted in the right orientation.
> It has been so long since I've done that, I'm not sure how to describe it.
> This is where sighted help would be very useful.
> After putting the sim card in the little drawer, just push it in until it is 
> flush.
> Needless to say, you want the phone turned off when doing this.
> When you power the phone up, there may be something your carrier needs to do 
> to finish activation.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 🖖 Live long and prosper
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked iPhone
> 
> Where is it that you insert the SIM card. I wish I'd have thought to ask Ray 
> at Wal-Mart, when I got my phone. I guess you have to take the case off the 
> phone to get to it? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dennis Long
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked iPhone
> 
> I agree I had this  SE on Cricket which is an off shoot of at&t  it about 3 
> to 5 minutes for it to recognize the Verizon sim and  work.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Nimer 
> Jaber
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 3:47 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: unlocking a locked Iphone
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> Sometimes, it takes a bit of time for the IMEI to show up as unlocked after 
> it has been locked. It is worth sticking a sim in and seeing what happens if 
> you have followed the process and are unlocked.
> 
> 
> 
> =Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 8:56 PM kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net 
> <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
> 
>    Dennis, Was your phone an at&t?  After getting the note from at&t saying 
> they approved unlock of my phone and gave instructions as to how to proceed 
> with another carrier, Verizon tells me the phone is still locked.  They also 
> tell me that if they were to put a new sim card in my "new" SE, that it could 
> cause me to have no service at all.  I couldn't take the risk of loosing cell 
> service altogether.  But, can someone help me understand their logic?  I am 
> truly lost.  
>    
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>    Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 9:53 PM
>    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    
>    I am using an SE on Verizon and I didn't purchase it from Verizon
>    
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> kitty hevener
>    Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 2:42 PM
>    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    
>    Christopher thanks for sharing.  I wonder what the author's credentials 
> are for writing the article.  After the second attempt, at&t unlocked my 
> phone.  While the article makes me think I may be in luck that my phone will 
> work on Verizon, apparently the only way to know for sure is yet one more 
> trip to the store.  I am sooo hoping for a happy ending smile!!
>    
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>    Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:44 PM
>    To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Richard 
> Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> >
>    Subject: Re: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    
>    I'm not speaking from personal experience, but this is true for the SE, 
> except for SE's from Sprint. You also need to pay attention to the bands 
> supported by your phone. Here's everything you ever wanted to know about 
> moving your SE from carrier to carrier 
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whistleout.com%2FCellPhones%2FGuides%2FWill-my-iPhone-SE-work-on-another-carrier&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C27980c2278fb4d28e67708d7bee67374%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637187769297571431&amp;sdata=0cuF6lDsc2IpJjqmiPtyetLiCLQSwVF3HrxCpzUe6Zs%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>    
>    
>    
>    On 2/27/20 8:32 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>    > Well, I did not know this about newer phones, but I am doubtful the SE 
> is in that category.
>    > If you call Verizon and ask them if you get AT&T to unlock the phone; 
> can you use it on their network, then you'll know for sure.
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > Richard
>    >
>    > 🖖 Live long and prosper
>    >
>    >
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>    > -----Original Message-----
>    > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
>    > kitty hevener
>    > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:26 AM
>    > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    > Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >
>    > Is that true for the Iphone SE?
>    >
>    > -----Original Message-----
>    > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
>    > Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>    > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:50 AM
>    > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ; Simon A 
> Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> >
>    > Subject: Re: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >
>    > since the US carriers have moved to 4G LTE and are now moving to 5G, 
> there is no need to choose between GSM and CDMA.
>    > 
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.androidauthority.com%2Fgsm-vs-cdma-689328%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C27980c2278fb4d28e67708d7bee67374%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637187769297581442&amp;sdata=4Yl8wvje%2Bz9YUN06oq4PXgpgEvFdI%2FZ2%2BaUBh17YpGI%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>    >
>    > On 2/27/20 2:54 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>    >>   From memory the last few years iPhone releasesare both CDMA and gsm
>    >>
>    >> Hence Verizon can use a or could use iPhones without sim cards
>    >>
>    >> -----Original Message-----
>    >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>    >> Of kitty hevener
>    >> Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2020 6:50 PM
>    >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>
>    >> Richard, per your suggestion, I contacted apple accessibility and have 
> learned that the phone is at&t.  The apple person led me to believe I could 
> use a Gsm onCDMA.  Hmm, wonder if an apple store could do whatever needs to 
> be done to make it work on cdma, if at&t unlocks it.
>    >>
>    >> -----Original Message-----
>    >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
>    >> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>    >> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:06 AM
>    >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >> Subject: Re: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>
>    >> I'm not Mark, but GSM phones cannot be used with Verizon or Sprint who 
> use CDMA.
>    >>
>    >>
>    >> Richard
>    >> "There's a nap for that." -- an anonymous cat
>    >>
>    >> Sent from my iPhone SE
>    >>
>    >>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 8:47 PM, kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net 
> <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
>    >>>
>    >>> Mark, hope I am not making an issue more complicated that it needs to 
> be.  If I understand right, at&t uses gsm technology.  So, if u get your at&t 
> phone unlocked, will you then only be able to use it with other carriers that 
> use gsm?  You would not be able to use that unlocked at&t phone with gsm 
> technology on Verizon or another carrier who used CDEMA, right?
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
>    >>> Behalf Of M. Taylor
>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:02 PM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> Hello Carolyn,
>    >>>
>    >>> You will need to submit an unlock request to A T & T at the end of 
> your contract as they will not automatically unlock the device.
>    >>>
>    >>> Speaking from personal experience, A T & T is absolutely wonderful 
> when it comes to unlocking devices.  I have unlocked many, many A T & T 
> phones over the years and, in most cases, the unlock code is provided within 
> 10 to 30 minutes of submitting the unlock request.
>    >>>
>    >>> When you are ready to unlock you’re a T & T device, you may submit the 
> unlock request using the form located at the following URL:
>    >>>
>    >>> 
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.att.com%2Fdeviceunlock%2F%23%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C27980c2278fb4d28e67708d7bee67374%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637187769297581442&amp;sdata=6uYTEtSOhHEXyeFtZlOGMnPw%2FEosICU%2BPvXMzapImOU%3D&amp;reserved=0.
>    >>>
>    >>> Mark
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
>    >>> Behalf Of Carolyn
>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:48 PM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> Question about locked phones. I bought a phone and am on a 30-month 
> AT&T contract. I know, a lot of people don't like those contracts, but this 
> seemed like a good deal. I can be patient, know it won't last forever. So my 
> question is, will my phone be locked with AT&T in 31 months, when I might 
> want to return to Consumer Cellular? Or I eventually might want to sell my 
> phone?
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
>    >>> Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz
>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 1:06 PM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> No kidding. If you can, return the phone and get your money back.
>    >>> I've bought iPhones on buy/sell mailing lists and eBay and have always 
> had good luck. I always make sure that the description states that it's 
> unlocked or have the seller provide me with the IMEI so I can check 
> compatibility/status on my carrier. If eBay, I can usually tell by the 
> feedback and what else the seller has posted if it's an individual seller or 
> it's someone who flips phones. A professional flipper is not going to burn 
> themselves over one sale, so I'm less concerned about that.
>    >>> Small consolation now I know, but just something to keep in mind for 
> the future.
>    >>>
>    >>>
>    >>> Cristóbal
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>    >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:45 AM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> Carriers to my knowledge are legally obligated to unlock a phone if it 
> is no longer under contract and you should be able to find out which carrier 
> has to do it.
>    >>> Here in Canada carriers can no longer sell phones locked to them, all 
> phones have to be unlocked I think since December 1, 2018. This means of 
> course you still find locked phones which people sell and which were locked 
> before, but since then all new phones have to be unlocked.
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>    >>> Of Carolyn
>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:29 AM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> And, if Verizon can't make it work, I would have doubts that anyone 
> could. At our Verizon store, the guys down there seem to live to do stuff 
> with phones to get them going just right.
>    >>>
>    >>> When I had Verizon, they had a division of Customer Service for 
> special problems, and the guy there helped me and Jim with a phone some years 
> back.
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> ] On 
>    >>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:17 AM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: RE: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> The seller obviously lied, I would never buy a used iPhone online and 
> unseen unless maybe on a list like this where I sort of know the person who 
> is selling it has been around and even then I have heard stories where people 
> sell stuff which is not at all as advertised or disappear with the money. 
> Caveat emptor is very much in order here.
>    >>>
>    >>>
>    >>> -----Original Message-----
>    >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
>    >>> Of Richard Turner
>    >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 9:25 PM
>    >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>    >>> Subject: Re: unlocking a locked Iphone
>    >>>
>    >>> I'd call Apple and see if they can tell from the the serial number, 
> which they can get if they do a screen share with you.
>    >>> Otherwise you will have to find out what the carrier was, and possibly 
> get the seller to give their permission to have it unlocked.
>    >>> Sadly, it could be that the seller simply lied.
>    >>> But, call Apple Accessibility: 877-204-3930 and see what they can sort 
> out.
>    >>>
>    >>> Richard
>    >>> "There's a nap for that." -- an anonymous cat
>    >>>
>    >>> Sent from my iPhone SE
>    >>>
>    >>>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 9:11 PM, kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net 
> <mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
>    >>>>
>    >>>> I purchased an Iphone that was advertised as unlocked.  Seller 
>    >>>> assured me it would work with my carrier, Verizon.  Sadly, Verizon 
>    >>>> informed me that the phone was locked and they said it could only 
>    >>>> be unlocked by carrier was using.
>    >>>> Does anyone know of any workaround for getting it unlocked?  Thanks.
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