Thanks. I poked around but must have missed it.
Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated It was updated October, 2019. It said that near the author's name. Richard On Apr 24, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote: Richard, Thanks for the article link about differences between iTunes encrypted backups and iCloud backups. The article was good but I wish I could have found a date indicating when it was written or last updated. I would think anyone publishing anything to the internet would realize the importance of dating their work especially where technology is concerned. I've decided my approach when I receive my SE 2020. I'm going to turn it on without transferring my SIM card from my iPhone 8, turn Voiceover on, answer any questions about Apple ID, language, etc., and then restore from my iTunes encrypted backup which I will have done before unboxing the new SE. I'll also have my iCloud backup which I'll also do before opening the new phone in case it is needed. I have a push pin and SIM card removal tool at hand and expect to use the push pin when it's time to transfer the SIM from my iPhone 8 to the SE 2020. I'll do my best to keep a record of my experience which I'll post to the list when done. Alan Lemly From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 2:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated Hi Mike and others, This article may help: https://www.imyfone.com/ios-data-recovery/is-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer/ <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.imyfone.com%2Fios-data-recovery%2Fis-it-better-to-backup-to-icloud-or-computer%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C35cf9209de334feb538808d7e88e93ec%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637233571382708740&sdata=5cf6uMbYr38%2FEOyoGxIueHA6bxDgHlQu0cjQOwbYMgI%3D&reserved=0> Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated Hi Alan, Would you or someone please explain the difference between backing up through my iPhone to iCloud, and backing up through iTunes? I've read mixed opinions on this and since I backup both my wife's phone and mine both ways I would like to know which backup to use when we get our new SE 2020 iPhones. Thanks much. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lemly <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:36 AM Subject: RE: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated Gera, I did not have a good experience when using the NFC phone to phone setup when upgrading from an iPhone 7 to an iPhone 8. I got some sort of confusing response from the new phone that my Apple ID did not match. Since I had only ever had one Apple ID, I decided at that point to restore from my encrypted iTunes backup which worked fine after the delay to re-download all the apps from the cloud. I believe when I get my SE 2020, I'll just restore from a backup and proceed without the phone to phone transfer. Alan Lemly -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from scratch - all help appreciated Exactly what I m wondering too. When I did this method of phone to phone transfer from a 5S to my currently-running SE, it asked me nevertheless if I wanted either an Icloud or an ITunes backup. Shouldn t it have transferred everything from one to another phone (even my music from ITunes) without having me asked it for which backup I wanted to restore from? What s the essence then, in usin the phone to phone method? Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel > El 24 abr 2020, a la(s) 2:19 a.m., Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> > escribi : > > ?Richard and others, > > If you have an old phone with IOS 11 on it then setup is even easier, > > Once you have vo switched on, > And your sim card in, > You get asked if you have a aphone or ipad that you could hold close > to your new phone, And that close procsimatry will allow the phones to talk > to each other and a copy of the data from old to new will be instigated > behind the seens. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 4:43 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from > scratch - all help appreciated > > As far as I know, your instructions Alan are correct. > A couple points though, I would never use something with a sharp point to > remove the tray. Just in case. Call me paranoid, but if you slip and push too > hard, you could do damage. A standard small paper clip end works great if the > sim removal tool is not in the box. > Yes, triple tapping the home button when you power it on will start VoiceOver. > The one risk in setting up from a backup is that if there are any lingering > problems, they will be inherited. > I'm debating whether to set it up as a new device, then sync with my computer. > The advantage to using an encrypted backup is that more settings like > passwords are supposed to be included along with email account details. > I may even just call Apple Accessibility and have them help walk me through > it. > Though I'm just stubborn enough to go ahead on my own. > But, I would set it up via wifi first, then put in the sim I think. > I'll be calling my carrier to double check. > > > > > Richard > > >> On Apr 23, 2020, at 8:26 AM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ?Eleanor, >> >> >> >> I'll be going through the same steps since I just ordered a new SE 2020 and >> will be transferring the SIM card from my iPhone 8 to my new SE. I've never >> transferred a SIM before but I'll do my best to answer some of your >> questions. >> >> >> >> My understanding is that when you power on your new iPhone, you should be >> able to press the home button three times to activate Voiceover. But see >> below for other steps you need to do before this. >> >> >> >> I would strongly recommend that you backup your iPhone 8 before doing >> anything else with your new iPhone. Whether it's better to do this over the >> air or to a local computer has changed over the past few years in my >> opinion. In the past, more things were backed up to a local encrypted iTunes >> backup than to iCloud but I'm not sure that is still the case. Since your >> Mac is not available, you should definitely do an iCloud backup before >> setting up your new SE. To do so: >> >> >> >> 1. From your iPhone 8, open Settings, and at the top of the list, >> double tap on your name, Apple ID, iCloud, iTunes and App Store. >> >> 2. Swipe to iCloud and double tap. >> >> 3. Under the heading Apps using iCloud, swipe to iCloud backup and >> double tap. >> >> 4. Make sure iCloud backup is turned on which will be the first in the >> list on the screen that opens. Swipe again to the Backup now button and >> double tap to initiate a current iCloud backup. Give the process a few >> minutes to complete and you will be given the current time of the latest >> backup when it's done. >> >> >> >> I will be following the above steps as well but will also do an encrypted >> iTunes backup on my Windows 7 computer because I really don't believe you >> can have too many backups. >> >> >> >> I've never transferred a SIM card myself because my previous new iPhones >> came with SIM cards. However, since I've switched to a Verizon prepaid plan >> recently, my SE 2020 will not have a SIM card. In portrait mode with your >> iPhone 8's power button near the top right edge, the SIM release hole will >> be in the very middle of that right edge below the power button. You will >> need a SIM card removal tool or a push pin or an unfolded paper clip to have >> something to insert slowly into the SIM removal hole in order to release its >> tray. I personally think a push pin like I used to use on a cork bulletin >> board works the best because it is easier to hold onto and apply any needed >> pressure. If you have such a thing, I would recommend doing the SIM removal >> over a tray with raised edges to provide something to catch the SIM to be >> removed should it decide to leap out. This is really all the practical >> advice I can give since I've never replaced a SIM myself. My understanding >> is that they only go in one way and I believe one of their corners may be >> notched to provide for this one way only insertion but I expect others will >> be able to offer much more detailed advice. >> >> >> >> Since I only set up new iPhones every couple of years, I don't remember >> exactly what Voiceover will say when setting up your new SE but I believe it >> offers you the choice of setting it up as a new device or from restoring a >> backup. I always restore from a backup. Also, I'm not sure when the best >> time is for you to transfer your SIM from your iPhone 8 to your new SE. My >> cautionary side tells me to do this after the new phone is set up so you'll >> have a device that works until you're ready to make the new one a workable >> cell phone. I would think all your apps and settings should download from >> the cloud just fine and the new SE would work like a WiFi only device until >> you transfer the SIM to it but others more experienced than I will have to >> comment on this. >> >> >> >> I hope the above will be somewhat helpful. Finally, my apologies to you, the >> list, and the Turtles but I just have to close by saying Eleanor, gee I >> think you're swell. I'm a fan of 60's music. >> >> >> >> Alan Lemly >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:20 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Some important queries re setting up a new IPhone SE from >> scratch - all help appreciated >> >> >> >> Hi all >> >> >> >> After any advice/help from people on this list with this situation. I?ve >> ordered a new IPhone SE, and have just had confirmation of its despatch. So >> have some questions re setting it up which I?m hoping people might be able >> to assist with. >> >> >> >> Firstly, I know this sounds somewhat daft, but if anyone could e-mail me >> some idiot-proof instructions on how to set it up from scratch, including on >> how to get Voiceover started from the word go I?d be really grateful >> please?. I?m far more nervous about doing it than normal, probably because I >> know all the shops are closed, and sighted friends who would normally be >> able to assist me can?t do so at the moment due to the lockdown. So any >> step-by-step guide much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Secondly, is it better to set the phone up over the air?, or is it better to >> set it up through my Mac? I ask this because my Mac is currently away being >> fixed/serviced. So I just wondered whether it would make any difference >> which way I did it?, and if so whether I should wait for my Mac to return >> before attempting set-up? >> >> >> >> Finally, can anyone send me some step-by-step idiots instructions on how to >> swap my SIM card over from my currrent IPhone 8 to the new SE?? I?ve never >> done this before, and again, in normal times I?d happily get sighted help >> with this, but obviously I can?t do that right now. 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