NFB is a service agency and a lobby for the blind. But, it has to raise funds, other than dues, in order to survive.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:30 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Scanning solution And if the person who makes this stand and who used to sell it for $12 now sells it for $12 to NFB you should not expect them to sell it for $15, that is a 20% margin and no business can survive on that. As a retailer I have often come across somebody who thought they had this awesome product and they wanted me to sell it. At the same time they would sell it themselves for say $50 and then I asked them what I would have to pay for the product. In many cases they told me the would give me a 10% or 15% discount for selling their product and they were surprised when I told them that in retail that unfortunately does not cut it. It is often impossible to explain to somebody that they would have to sell it to me for $30 if they want me to sell it for $50 if it should be worth my while or, if they want to sell it to me for $45 and I would have to sell it for $75 to make a decent margin that they also should sell it for that price themselves. Of course if they want me to sell something on consignment where they give me the product and I only pay them for what I sell I can go a bit lower, but at the same time I may have competing products which I sell at a 35% or 40% margin and there is very little incentive for me to try and sell the customer that other product where I may only make a 25% margin. And if shipping is involved I don’t blame anybody who charges a handling fee if they have to stock, pack and ship a product for which they make a $3 profit. I understand the NFB in the US is a government agency or maybe I’m wrong, here in Canada we have the CNIB (Canadian Federation for the Blind) and while they are a government agency, they also sell products for profit at their stores and I don’t blame them because just as with most government agencies funding is always a problem and they often have to find ways to make a bit of money to support their programs. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 12:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Scanning solution Yes it was something like $19.98 to me that’s $20. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 8:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Scanning solution So, are they charging $20 total? Tomek charged $12, and shipped free matter without charging anything for handling. He would ship on the weekends while he was home from his day job which often required some travel. He was not making any money really other than being able to continue buying the materials. So, on the one hand, if he is still able to make them because the NFB is selling them for a small profit, that is fine. The week of the 25th, I will be writing up a review of another inexpensive stand option. This one is called the Scanner Bin. I saw one already assembled, but I'm getting a new one and will see how assembly goes. Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> On May 16, 2020, at 11:06 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote: I responded Richard I just saw your message. The NFB should also bring back online ordering. They said they were going to but haven’t for whatever reason. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Scanning solution Early on, Dennis Long said that the NFB charged for shipping. But he has not responded after I asked how much they were charging. I had written the Independence Market asking about the stand as people who have seen mine wanted to know where to get it, and because Tomek Wardiga, the creator of these stands, was no longer able to ship free matter, I was trying to find out. The people at the Independence Market have never responded to my emails. So, at this point, it is unsubstantiated about them charging for shipping, but the statement was made. Just waiting for someone to confirm with specifics, or clear it up. Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6d8f4d24dff44c12eb9f08d7fa2872ba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637252923937578889&sdata=yMxMTMJNa%2BI1%2FTBaxCbKp8DWM6w49Zf3B0RS1EZF3rQ%3D&reserved=0> On May 16, 2020, at 8:35 PM, "chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> " <chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote: I don’t see anything in this thread that says the NFB was charging for shipping. There’s a statement on how the post office wasn’t giving permission for this stand to be shipped as free matter and then there’s a statement that the NFB was considering carrying this stand as part of their Independence Market. I’m always weary of broad unsubstantiated statements like this that seem more like someone has a bone to pick then actually conveying useful and accurate information. Even if the NFB were able to ship these stands as free matter, it wouldn’t be fair for them to pass on the cost of the postal shipping charges to the customer, but it could still involve staff spending time and resources shipping these stands out. I wouldn’t have a problem paying an appropriate amount of money for this service. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Scanning solution It's appropriate to charge for shipping if you are paying to have it shipped. It is not if you are shipping free matter. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Lumpkin <mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Scanning solution I think it’s perfectly appropriate for NFB to charge for shipping. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:01 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Scanning solution How much are they charging? Since I got no reply, just wondering. Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6d8f4d24dff44c12eb9f08d7fa2872ba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637252923937588884&sdata=wwchZlbvDfwgp68TtTJoFDPZCpyT8%2F%2FQyzxJ3oce5wQ%3D&reserved=0> On May 16, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote: They have them. Note they charge for free mater shipping. Typical NFB not helping the blind but screwing them over. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Scanning solution The Fopydo stand is my first choice, but he was having major issues with his Post Office refusing to send things free matter unless he went through a bunch of hoops to get a special permit. At one point, the Independence Market of the NFB was considering carrying them. I wrote them, but have not had a response in 10 days. Richard "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Malcolm Parfitt Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Scanning solution Take a look at: http://fopydo.com/scanningstandfortheblind <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffopydo.com%2Fscanningstandfortheblind&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6d8f4d24dff44c12eb9f08d7fa2872ba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637252923937598877&sdata=IJySqBPwWJCTyEo0Fj28N%2FY2oYdiObQdbrbpFpiTKhI%3D&reserved=0> Malcolm Parfitt On 12 May 2020, at 20:05, bentleyj1...@gmail.com <mailto:bentleyj1...@gmail.com> wrote: Where can I purchase a stand? Many thanks, James B From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Scanning solution Since you wrote to the iPhone list, I'm guessing you plan to do this with an iPhone. I do not know of any scanners that work with iPhones, beyond what you can do with the iPhone camera itself. For A4 documents, I'm assuming these are text documents, I think Voice Dream Scanner is the best solution: You may also want a scanning stand so you don't have to hold the phone about 12 inches above the document if you are doing a ton of these. Is the plan for the photos to just digitize them? If so, just use the Camera and have someone sighted crop them so just your photo is left. With photos, you want to follow the same distance ratio as with documents, and have the phone about as far above the photo as the photo is tall. That could get tricky which is why you will need sighted assistance to crop the picture later. Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com <https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6d8f4d24dff44c12eb9f08d7fa2872ba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637252923937608874&sdata=XRZjbGMRayJWxh6G2m7hnm%2BZ8jL6KEAiUuLiAtp9k%2B4%3D&reserved=0> On May 12, 2020, at 2:57 AM, Ian Harrison <ihcla...@gmail.com <mailto:ihcla...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi listers, I need to get a scanner for photos and A4 documents. Wireless would be nice but not if expensive. The main project is a load of photos my wife has but doesn’t have the time to scan them herself. 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